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MVP does not mean "Best Player In The League".  Or, Dude with the best stats.

The establishment will no doubt give it to Brady, and I'm a Brady fan, but it cheeses me.......

The League MVP should be the guy who does/has done the most to get his team to a particular point.

What is the team without his contributions?

e.g. Adrian Peterson.  Would the Queens be anywhere the team they are now without him?  Not 7 and 6, that's for sure.

Number 4's name comes up, but not often enough.  Is there any way G.B. is where they are at with Favray?  No way.  He is, IMO, the runaway candidate for MVP.

Not just the Dreamy looking guy who has won a bunch of games.

My pick...#1 Favray, #2 Moss, #3 Peterson, and I would even throw Derek Anderson in the mix for saving Romeo Crenell's job.

Yesterday's game proved that the Viqueens can win without Peterson.

Yes it does.  I understand that the acronym stands for Most Valuable Player but the award always goes to the league's best player.  Value to team has not historically played a (significant enough) role.

This award can't go to anyone other than Brady IMO.  I can't stand NE and I'd love to see them miss on the ring but there's no question in my mind that Brady deserves the award.

I will take my ball and go home.

Fixed.

LOL, this line of posting is going to hurt you stroh.  Perhaps maim but hopefully just cuts and bruises.   :P

LOL   You're not the boss of me.  [sm_laughing]




I'm sure it goes to Brady hands down.  I'd like to see it shaken up a bit.

Same deal the year Morneauzy won it.  Santanazy should have been both the Cy Young, and MVP, but it just isn't done.

Peterson was in that game.

That changes the dynamic of the game.  Like when Moss would get 1 catch for 7 yards, and no TD.

"Moss wasn't a factor"  Yes he was.  So much so, the the other team threw every resource to stop him.  Result:  Moss 0  Team 1.

The game was won by the Queen's defense. Peterson was in the game, but he could have been home "Banishing a white russian from the kremlin" or "Hating 'Merka" and it wouldn't have matter.

brett farve hands down. nobody even close.

Most valuable to his team can be tough to define. $1000 is more valuable to me than $100,000 is to Bill Gates, but no one would argue that $100,000 is not more valuable than $1000. Just because a team has other assets doesn't mean their most valuable asset is worth less.

The best player is the most valuable player in my view. I hate the Patriots like poison, but if they run the table then Brady gets my vote.

the award should go to the player who , by subtraction, would cause the most drastic change in his teams w/l record.  of course, this can't actually be quantified (any given sunday syndrome)... so yeh, they just always give it to whatever flashy name on a playoff level puts up the gaudiest stats that season   8)

'swhutimtalkinbout.

To my mind, "Most Valuable" means the player that the other teams would most like to have on their own team.  Ask 32 general managers/coaches which one player they would take if they could poach one.

My guess is that Tom Brady gets more votes than any other player.

Interesting take.  Do they have to replace their "best"?

Brady would falter here.  Kick ass offense not withstanding.

Yes, they would replace.  Put another way: if you could blink your eyes and turn one of your players into a Star Player on another team, which Star Player would it be?

Ok, cool.  Favray does nothing here.  I don't think Dreamy does either.  I make no secret about being a Moss fan, but I'm not sure Tarvaris is seasoned enough to "use" him.  Having said that, I may trade AD for Moss, for the attempt at a deep threat.  Taylor has proven himself last year, and had some decent run games this year.

So, MVP......in team to team improvement?  I have to take Moss.  Here anyway.  Teams will vary of course.

I never thought I'd say this, but ... stroh, you're over-thinking it.


Don't think of it like it's the draft or something.  Basically, just pick a franchise player that you'd like to build a franchise around.  If you could grab ONE player from elsewhere to build your expansion team around ... pick one.

In that case, nobody would pick Favrah. He's too old to build a franchise around.

Then put my last post in future perfect tense and re-asked yourself.

Favre is definitely up there in my book, though I still have to go with either Brady or Moss if voting were today.

Brady's numbers are ridiculous right now.  I don't know how you can vote against him.  Before he had a receiving corps, people always talked about his game management, though there were those that wondered if he could ever put up the Peyton Manningesque numbers, even with a good batch of receivers.  What is it now, something like 45 TD / 5 Int.  His career avg. is something like 26 TD / 14 Int per year.  Can't stand the guy - though I'm a NE fan; the guy just always seems to be posing in front of the camera, like he's auditioning for another GQ cover. 

That said, Moss at 19 TD with 3 games left.  The guy made Daunte Culpepper look like he was an NFL quarterback.  He's making Brady look like Tavaris Jackson in one of Torp's Madden contests (sorry, Torp, I know a printscreen would prove this an overstatement). 

Don't these numbers show it's more about Moss than Brady?

Football is funny. You really only need to one player to have a mismatch in coverage on any given play, and the QB and the entire offense looks like the greatest to have ever played the game.

It may very well be more Moss than Brady.  Take away the 3-5 that are rushing Brady and the scheme behind the pass rushers is designed around Moss.   Throw in a decent #2, a good slot receiver, a good TE, RBs that can catch the ball, and it's tough not to look good - especially with today's offenses. 

There's the old argument about voting a WR the MVP - someone that touches the ball less than 10 times a game; whether Moss is deserving, I just can't see the voters going against that flow for Moss.

Fair enough.  Then it's easy.  Bryant Mckinnie for any left tackle in the league that has a pulse.

Look, just say "Tom Brady", will you?

LOL  Done.

It kills me to do this, but I think it’s worth noting that Brady has had a year unlike anything I’ve ever seen. He’s done things at QB that no one has ever done. For years I’ve heard, and believed, that the Eagles pass-first-pass-often offense could not win in the long run because it’s just too difficult to pass on every down, and work the clock with a lead. Brady has absolutely blown that age-old truism out of the water. History is littered with great QB’s who didn’t have success because their team couldn’t run the ball; Marino and Fouts are prime examples, but even Elway and Farve have had years when they were forced to carry the offensive load and were unable to do so in the long haul. The Patriots have played with huge leads in 10 of 13 games, yet they’re still throwing the ball nearly 60% of the time. Brady has been able to control the clock and dominate games when EVERYONE knows he’s going to throw. The Steelers (a good team!) blitzed him on something like 30 of 46 pass plays and he just picked them apart on Sunday. I’ve been watching football since 1978 (that I can remember) and I’ve never seen anyone do the things that Brady is doing this season.

Add to that, the Pats are going to set the scoring record and the TD record. Brady already has the 3rd most TD passes in history and there are three games to play. He will break that record. He’s on pace to throw over 5000 yards. He’s having a record breaking season and he’s doing it undefeated. If he doesn’t win the MVP it will be an injustice in my mind.

Did Marino and Fouts operate out of the no-huddle as often as Brady does?

No, I'm sure they didn't, especially Fouts. It was the Jim Kelly Bills in the 90's who really started using the no-huddle even when the game clock didn't dictate it.

And no beard.

....and he does all that without EVER breaking a sweat.

FWIW, I have it on good authority that he's going to be offered a position in the Holy Trinity shortly after the season ends.  With what I've added to what my colleague from the North says, why the hell is Randy Moss even in this discussion?