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Title: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 07:11:43 AM
I've (obv.) heard the term many times, and have generalized the notion, but...

Is it the way a shaft is made?  Is it what you do to the shaft?  Can you change the characteristics of how it's tipped?

What does tipping it stiff, or so forth do to the flight of the ball?

Does it affect rotational torque as well?

And what the hell is FLOing?  I notice spaceage didn't do it.



Thanks


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Aske on January 05, 2007, 07:22:53 AM
tipped means they cut off the good part of the end.   like a circum  umm nevermind.   

it usually makes the shaft play 'stiffer'




Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Fuzzy on January 05, 2007, 07:41:59 AM
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/FuzzyPhotos/images-5.jpg)


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 07:49:55 AM
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/FuzzyPhotos/images-5.jpg)
;D
Impressive. Most impressive. Obi-Wan has taught you well.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Fuzzy on January 05, 2007, 07:57:03 AM
I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did. It's your father's photo-poster. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or as random as a smiley emoticon, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 08:01:52 AM
LMAO!  Karma+10


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: spacey on January 05, 2007, 08:25:56 AM
tipped means they cut off the good part of the end.   like a circum  umm nevermind.   

it usually makes the shaft play 'stiffer'



Indeed. It can also change the kick point, and can alter the "feel" of the shaft. Personally I tip my shafts as little as possible because I swing like a girl.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 08:29:36 AM
tipped means they cut off the good part of the end.   like a circum  umm nevermind.   

it usually makes the shaft play 'stiffer'



Indeed. It can also change the kick point, and can alter the "feel" of the shaft. Personally I tip my shafts as little as possible because I swing like a girl.

So, doesn't that mean you have to cut more off the butt end?  Doesn't that change the shape/taper of the club at some point?

Or am I just way off, not having started with a "raw" shaft.
(damn, left that fookin' door wide open") 


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Aske on January 05, 2007, 09:36:40 AM
tipped means they cut off the good part of the end.   like a circum  umm nevermind.   

it usually makes the shaft play 'stiffer'



Indeed. It can also change the kick point, and can alter the "feel" of the shaft. Personally I tip my shafts as little as possible because I swing like a girl.

So, doesn't that mean you have to cut more off the butt end?  Doesn't that change the shape/taper of the club at some point?

Or am I just way off, not having started with a "raw" shaft.
(damn, left that fookin' door wide open") 

although not universal or absolute,  butt trimming a shaft will have less effect (stiffness, launch, kick, feel)  on the shaft than tip trimming it  (by the same amount)


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: JDerion on January 05, 2007, 10:03:19 AM
Most shafts are designed to be tip trimmed. Raw shafts have trimming instructions that tell you how much to remove, depending on what club you are shafting. Different heads have different weights, with driver being lightest and then getting heavier as you progress backwards, so in order to play true to flex you need to remove some tip to stiffen the shaft. Some people want to make the shaft play stiffer than the stated flex, so they might trim additional length off the tip above and beyond the tipping instructions.

The simple way to look at it is the thicker the shaft, the stiffer it is (lol). Since conventional shafts are tapered, if you trim some off the tip (the thinnest part), you're leaving yourself with the thicker portion of the shaft...the stiffest part. Conversely, if you butt trim the shaft, the shaft will play marginally softer because you've removed the stiffest part of the shaft, and the remaining length is comprised of thinner, more flexible part of the shaft.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 10:39:13 AM
Perfect.  Thank you.  Now I get it.

Like I said, i had always heard the term, but had now idea how, or why it was applied.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Clive on January 05, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Don't know if it was mentioned here, but ... "tipped" has two meanings.  First, the simple "some has been cut off the small end" meaning.  Second, the notion of taking off more than was called for before installing the shaft into the clubhead.  E.g. your Dynamic Gold X100 was supposed to go into your 5-iron head with 2" tip trimming, but your 77-year-old customer says he's a he-man who needs a stiff shaft, so you make one with 2" tip-trimming and a second demo with 5" trimmed off the tip.  That latter DGX100 has been tipped.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 06:37:50 PM
Yes.  That was the root of my question.  I didn't know any of "the other stuff".

When someone says, It's "tipped" _______.  Was getting me confused.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: JDerion on January 05, 2007, 07:01:13 PM
Yes.  That was the root of my question.  I didn't know any of "the other stuff".

When someone says, It's "tipped" _______.  Was getting me confused.
When someone says it's "tipped"______, they're saying they took more off the tip than the specs called for, hence they're playing a shaft that is stiffer than the stated flex of the shaft. I don't think anyone would say they're playing a driver shaft that is tipped 1" if the tipping instructions called for taking an inch off the tip.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 07:11:15 PM
Ok.

But all I ever heard was "it's tipped", or "not tipped"

So, I didn't no, if it was a product of the shaft itself(model), or what someone could or could not do, and how.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 07:11:57 PM
I know now.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: JDerion on January 05, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
I know now.
;D Ok. I was going to say it again, but in German. Thanks for saving me the time.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Clive on January 05, 2007, 07:32:40 PM
OK, last one (really!).  When someone is shopping just a shaft in the "Flea Market", then "tipped" refers to how much tip-trimming was done, regardless of what was called for on any trim chart.  Similarly, when someone asks "Has it been tipped at all?", that's what they're driving at, too.

Verstehen Sie?


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: dyno on January 05, 2007, 08:40:56 PM
Every shaft is different so it's important to know what your starting point is before proceeding with any install. I have various cheap bastages bring in shafts they've procured from some 6 thumbed poofy on the internet.

Usually when you tip, you'll see an upward creep in the finished frequency of the club.  The higher the freq, the stiffer the club.  It's one way to quantify the effect of tipping but I don't believe it completely describes what is happening.  A high percentage of shafts start to feel boardy and unresponsive once you tip past a 'threshold' point.  Part of it is related to the profile stiffness as well as the rotational torque. 



Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 05, 2007, 10:20:51 PM
Would that make for some bad poon?


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: TFT on January 06, 2007, 01:56:47 PM
Would that make for some bad poon?

Stiffer poon, anyway.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: spacey on January 06, 2007, 01:58:20 PM
Would that make for some bad poon?

Stiffer poon, anyway.

Also affects the frequency of the poon. Sorta like wedding vows.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: dyno on January 06, 2007, 02:01:54 PM
Use judicious tipping to preserve the poon. [sm_sumo]


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: Aske on January 06, 2007, 02:07:53 PM
Would that make for some bad poon?

Stiffer poon, anyway.
  [sm_disgust]


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: APTech on January 14, 2007, 07:16:23 AM


And what the hell is FLOing?  I notice spaceage didn't do it.

Thanks

FLO = Flat Line Oscillation.  Used in conjunction with spining.  Once you have found the hard & soft spines of the shaft, the general practice is to have the hardest spine facing the toe and the softest spine facing the target.  Using bubble wrap or fishing line to secure the head on the shaft, you clamp the butt end of the club in a clamping device.  You then twang the head and want to see the head oscillate in a nice flat line.  You may need to tweak the orientation ever so slightly to get it to do so.  After I bought my R5 TP, I brought it home and clamped it down in my Digiflex clamp and gave it a twang.  It oscillated in an elliptical pattern, not good.  So I pulled the head with low heat, and adjusted it for flo.  Only took about a 10º turn clockwise and it flo's very nicley now.

Tipping = What happens when YOU have too many Mich Goldens or Rum  and Cokes.  You'll be standing there and just tip right onto your azz.


Title: Re: What Does "Tipped" Mean?
Post by: stroh on January 14, 2007, 08:51:38 AM


And what the hell is FLOing?  I notice spaceage didn't do it.

Thanks

FLO = Flat Line Oscillation.  Used in conjunction with spining.  Once you have found the hard & soft spines of the shaft, the general practice is to have the hardest spine facing the toe and the softest spine facing the target.  Using bubble wrap or fishing line to secure the head on the shaft, you clamp the butt end of the club in a clamping device.  You then twang the head and want to see the head oscillate in a nice flat line.  You may need to tweak the orientation ever so slightly to get it to do so.  After I bought my R5 TP, I brought it home and clamped it down in my Digiflex clamp and gave it a twang.  It oscillated in an elliptical pattern, not good.  So I pulled the head with low heat, and adjusted it for flo.  Only took about a 10º turn clockwise and it flo's very nicley now.

Tipping = What happens when YOU have too many Mich Goldens or Rum  and Cokes.  You'll be standing there and just tip right onto your azz.

LOL.  ;D

Thanks.  I had no idea.

email me, and lets meet at Applebees for a couple of tall ones.