GolfHos

So what did you say to Tait that got you moderated? Enquiring (sic) minds and all that...

hopefully it was that his nazi business tactics are gonna take him down. ;)

I'm not a master club designer, but I know a thing or two about marketing and PR. SMT's product may indeed be every bit as good as Tait thinks it is (I've never used any SMT clubs beyond the durometer wedges, and I didn't care at all for them), but denigrating competitors and distributors does nothing to improve his image, nor the image of his product.

He projects insecurity alternated with smug superiority, and that shows me he's either not confident enough in his product to let it speak for itself or that he honestly believes he's built a better mousetrap and anyone who doesn't use it or speak 100% positive about it is a fool. Either way, mud thrown is ground lost.

Oops. I'll have to remember what I said....  will connex latah as my internet usage stats in IT are not good today!  

I have to agree wholeheartedly. He was the main reason I stopped posting in FGI. I believe my comment alluded to him posting his self-serving crap, while being protected and exalted by the powers that were. I never understood how someone with such a tremendous product had to stoop to throw his weight around so much. Not to mention the entire Nemesis scandal/bull*feces*. How he was so appalled that a larger than life version was allowed to enter this country, (and now what is the size of the clubhead). I remember how protective the boss of FGI was of Tait that any who maligned the product was taken to task. 
Oh well, water over the dam, or under the bridge, (or wherever the hell water goes anyway).

A lot goes down the toilet, which still fits.

 :(

I can't speak for what happened in the past, but I can say that this is most definitely NOT the case today.

And that Nemesis thing WAS bull.

Gosh, is Mike not a sponsor now?

 :punchballs:

Are you serious?  He bailed on sponsorship a while ago.

Clive,
I know things have changed, but the bitter pill was swallowed, and I can't help but think it could happen again. Some of the mods over there are fine, but who knows how long they will stick around or be allowed to continue.

I know.

And once you stop paying da protection money, you stop getting da protection.

Capisce?

Nemisis the club or Nemesis the xenophobic wanker?

Just wunderin'   ???

I was referring to the club, and the way the thread went on for days about how Tait was going to get to the bottom of the problem and make sure it wasn't allowed to persist.
Then whenever the difference in clubhead size came up, even by someone genuinely curious about the situation, that person was jumped on by several 'well-meaning sponsor protectors' ::). And then Mr Tait would go on about how he spent hours and days without sleep to make sure the integrity of his company and revered clubhead were upheld. It was enough to make one puke [sm_puke]
Sorry for the rant.

Gotcha, I remember that thread.  I wasn't sure though.  I thought perhaps Nemesis the member (or tool if you prefer) might have become involved in something or another after I left. 

What's the story behind the Nemesis? It must have been before my time.

I think you've nailed his aura....that's pretty much what I get.

There was some other stuff but basically I called him out on his line of bull###t.  I also called him Judge Judy with a smirk.  It was really tame and not much of a personal attack but I don't blame the mod (RSV) for doing what he had to do.  Sorry. The Nemesis story is more interesting to me now. 

Werd....I missed the bannination of Nemesis.  He once offered to fly from New Zealand to Canada to kick my ass. lol

He actually made money from that scam.

About 450 Figgers sent 10 bucks a piece to the kick dyno's ass fund to pay for the trip.

Well they got ripped because my ass remains as pleasantly smoove and curvaceous as ever :)

And it all went tragically wrong when Neme slit the pilot's throat half way to Vancouver.  The last thing captured on the black box before splash down was "*goshdarn* Yank/Pom/Mick/Frog/Kraut/Canuck/etc. flyboys must die!!!"

That's why I said it was a scam, dumpling.

 ;D

More accurately, he started bitching about the "Jap" pilots, how they took forever to fly anywhere, and how they got in the way of his plane ... and they jettisoned him somewhere over the Atlantic.

Which is weird, since they were nowhere near the Atlantic.

Interesting, I never realized that Nemesis had been banned.

Okay, but seriously what is the deal with the Nemesis clubhead? My curiosity is more than piqued.

http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=699054&mpage=

Please provide a synopsis after you're finished. Thanks!

Here's a followup thread about it, too:
http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=902313&mpage=1

"In fact, thousands of complimentary emails on the heads and their capabilities were received and responded to by me personally, EACH AND EVERY DAY. "


That's some busy times.

 :P

Ummm. I think I might be more confused on the topic than I was before, but here's what I gleaned from that thread: Mike Tait is smug and there's no shortage of people willing to line up to fondle his crank and eat his *feces* and tell him it's chocolate pudding. Then again, I could be totally mistaken.  [sm_dontknow]

Interesting. From the other thread that dystopia posted, it sounds like Dyno and SMT were once butt buddies. I wonder what caused the falling out.

I would, but as soon as I saw that Persimmon guy post in there, I stopped reading.

Like always.

I think it was something to do with taking longer strokes or sand in the vaseline.

Or something completely different.

Fumbled punts.

The only point I chased in that thread was that the Nemesis swelled from 370cc to 405cc when his foundry made new brass casts/molds/masters/whatever, and that the new 405cc head was advertised as USGA-legal without ever having been submitted to and approved by the USGA.

"We design all our heads to pass USGA standards" is great, but the fact that previous SMT heads FAILED to pass indicates that the best-laid plans of mice and Tait ...  :punchballs:

The whole fabricated story about the Nemesis changeover was a joke.  I remember measuring the head volumes of both then shafting up identical clubs.  If he's seeing the same spin and launch numbers, someone's feeding him *feces*.  I have a vague idea of the true story and it's a far cry from what he claimed...and certainly 100% more plausible

I want to make a joke about the Nemesis getting married and gaining 35cc, but my wife keeps walking by the computer.

I've always wondered what the real story of the Nemesis was behind the scenes, but was never sure what really happened.  I do recall how it started, though.

The thread that cbae linked to is from 03/05/04, and the one I linked to is from 07/27/04.

But I believe the story begins on 11/19/03.  I remember it because I had been on FGI for about 5 months and had just bought my first component after reading all the great things about them.  My first choice was a Nemesis based on everything I had read and from drinking the FGI koolaid, and just after I bought it, the controversy erupted, so I had no clue if the head I had just bought was a gazoo nemesis or the 370cc one that everyone had raved about. (it turned out to be the 405cc version, but  I'm still not sure if it was the gazoo or just the larger, later model)

Here's what I remember about how it started.....the forum was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to return soup at a deli....


1) longdriv2 (now SMT) posts this thread called  SMT - " On New Heads " on 11/19/03
http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=559456&mpage=1
It's a description of all the new heads for next season (Spectrum, O2, etc.)

2) On page 2 of that thread, a mysterious visitor names puttingfool (not PnF, the tool) shows up and posts something that has now been deleted.

However, someone later quotes it:

3. Several posts in that thread have since been deleted, but it's interesting to note the piling on happening with the newcomer.  This was back when everyone loved SMT.

4. Page 7 of the same thread has a remarkable post, in hindsight:

5. Somewhere on page 8, PuttingFool posts a link to pictures of the heads, because the tide starts to turn by the end of page 8, and opinions appear to change once they see the pics.  Many posts seem to have been deleted here.

6. The rest of the thread gets threadjacked by GODGIB jumping in.

7. I remember many threads and posts were deleted after that, but this one remains:
http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=561968&mpage=1

Since things were getting deleted all over the place at that time, I was careful to save a link to the pictures that PuttingFool posted.  You can view them here:
http://fgi.250free.com/


In hindsight, we've all become accustomed to two Nemeses by now, but this was a huge deal at the time.

Wow.

Conclusions:

1.  Those heads are different.

2.  That Persimmon guy posts a lot.

3.  PuttingFool pisses all over puttnfool.

4.  dystopia is scary.

5.  I still like cheese.

6.  And beer.

7.  Godgib has been a *fudge*tard for longer than I thought.

8.  Figs are great for bowel movements.

 

are you sure about #8?

I had, in good faith, asked Tait, (I'm only using his last name beccause my name is Mike, too, and I don't want it to sound like I'm talking to myself :D), about the fact that I saw a few heads on the non-conforming list, and their status. He jumped all over my *feces* to tell me that it was only a few heads and they were no longer available. It wasn't the nicey-nicey customer service champion he liked to say he was, but more of a 'what right do you have to question me' attitude.
That, to me was not the way to handle the situation.

Take this dumb ass *feces* to the equipment section, before I get Blader to moderate the hell out of it.

We were talking about your junk in chat last night.

 [sm_shock]

I'm bummed I missed. :sad3:

That's my favorite subject.

Clive was outta control - he was riding on everyone's junk.

That thread just really bothered me because it was ugly how quickly people were ready form a mob and destroy that guy.  Plus, that was the first time that I had my posts deleted on FGI, and I was pissed. >:(

I remember my first time.  LOL  ;D

One thing about Bryant is that he never shows his junk online.  I skewered him with the whole Mugen Kill Kill Kill thing but not a peep.  Mike on the other hand......there's lots of stories.  It's too bad....he needn't be defensive about his product because it's very good.  Most of it. 

Werd.  The mob thing....makes me wonder if I was ever in a mob.  I think I've started things that then became a mob but normally I don't like to join the mob.  But junk does funny things to you.

hehe, what was it for? 

It bugs me when I put a lot of thought into writing a post, just to see it disappear.

I was never in a mob, but I think I was in a gang once.

westside libs 

Okay, not that that's cleared up...

Nemesis banninate link please.

I got pissed in R & E, and drafted a scathing response!  I ripped everybody!

I don't know how long it lasted, but it got many reports, and was yanked.

When I saw it deleted, I of course posted a new thread calling FGIMarshal(l) a fascist bastard.  That one lasted  about 5 minutes. ;D

About a month after that I was asked to be a moderator.  Huh.  Life is funny that way.

In the last couple of weeks Tait was ripped pretty good on the PCS site as well.  Pretty much the SOS, telling the members he knows everything and if they don't listen to him they are dopes.  When Tait wants your opinion, he'll give it to you......

lol  That's great.  I completely missed it, but I tend to avoid the R&E section.

You should have kept insulting everyone and held out for the ***Brown Moderator*** position, he looks to have power over more sections. ;D

Actually, I'm not sure if ***Brown Moderator***  or ***Blue Moderator*** is more powerful.

Or maybe I'm way off with the Power Ranger/Voltron analogy and I should be visualizing you guys struttin' around FGI like Mr. Brown/Pink/White/etc. from Reservoir Dogs.

(http://tech.moneycontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/reservoir%20dogs.thumbnail.jpg)

*dystopia, PM*

It's not brown, it's "Santorum".

I remember the Mugen thing and your skewering. I thought you were a bit rough on him.
He was a pretty good sport about it. Didn't fire back.
Had that been a SMT thing, you would probably have had your balls handed to you.

Pardon?  Is this the part where I posture?

Don't know. didn't mean anything by it.

Oh.  Well you are talking about my balls, so you must mean something.

What i meant was that had you done the same thing to Tait as the Mugen thing, he would not have seen the humor, and with him still being a sponsor, at the time, you would have most likely, been taken to task.

Tait wouldn't have wrapped dyno's balls in 2000 meters of clear packing tape, though.

But he would have played 13 hours of Barry Manilow 'onto' them.

Anyone who has seen them knows your balls mean nothing.

That's why I never bother to think now before spouting and pressing send.

I figured I'd do it like the other guys.

 ;)

My first ever PM to dystopia on Figs was when we both had posts deleted by the 'protect the source' brigade.

Even after everything was obvious to everyone but the Iraqi Minister of Information.  I think even he had a decent grasp of what was going on.

Unfortunately his stint as admin on Figs was all too brief.

(http://dunamai.com/Humor/BagdadBob/images/bagdad_bob_large.gif)

February, I tell you.  The mighty plan will then be revealed.  I only speak truth.

I searched for linkable evidence, which I found.

I hereby declare it to be true and it's on the internet, so it must be.

It wasn't immediately clear that this was the site I was looking for, the title of the page could have 'gone both ways' - Constipation Relief With Fruits.  However, It was safe to read on.

"Figs are high in fiber and can provide a gentle action on your colon when you have been constipated. This action can take about 24 hours before it takes place. Figs aid in digestion and provide a high level of fiber and minerals, They also provide a natural source of serotonin."

http://ezinearticles.com/?Constipation-Relief-With-Fruits-Part-III&id=35675

So there we have it.

Remember to get a good dose of Figs next time you need a dump bad.

wth is a mugen ?

KILL KILL KILL.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Mugen505.png)

Is Lei-Lei pantsing Dragon Claw?  Awesome fight move.