GolfHos

Do we have critical mass for such a thing?

I'd be happy to handle the task of crunching numbers for course handicaps, stroke allocations, and discreetly cheating to have my team win.

Being that I'm stupid as hell, I'd require further explanation of such a venture before pledging any sort of support.

Cool idea.  Do you mean GolfHos vs. GolfDopes?

Or something internal here?

If so, what would be the demarcation for teams?

East vs. West?
North vs. South?
Cast vs. forged?
Old vs. young?
Libs vs. ..um..ultra libs?

Ryders vs. rydees... if you know what I'm sayin'

I think whatever we can do to create more friction and ill will between ourselves should be done as soon as possible. 

I mean healthy competition.

Proper hate you guys.

I'm already feeling more ill will towards TFT, if that's of any benefit.

My arrival here wasn't enough?

I propose a complicated, Delay-inspired jerrymandering scheme to form teams.  Blader is likely the only person here with the talent and the interest in jerrymandering to pull it off, so we should get him signed up early and then watched closely.

Jerry Mandering is long since dead.

Tom Foolery killed him for moving his fence.

So there.

That's because I meant the Seinfeld team formation scheme, not the Garcia scheme.


Nob.

Your obscure references to Rainbow TV pop show culture about nothing are meaningless in this arena.

Willy.

OK, then I meant it in the Leave It To Beaver context.


Krank.

Have you got a Happy Days reference?

That at least made it over the pond.

If the Fonz said it, it has meaning.

Winkler.

OK, Cherry Mandarin.

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2878/teabag02ps7.jpg)


That one ought to register with TimeForTeabagger.  I'll let you forward it along to him.

Ahhh, Great Wall of China.

There's one I get.

Well done.

(http://www.parra.catholic.org.au/Bishop/pics/Bishop-Kevin-Manning-33.jpg)

Bottom line: TFT is on my team.  Dude is relentless.

Arctic conditions here. 

Whichever team I'm on, probably the next round I'll have is St. George over Presidents' Day.  I own that course (http://www.golfhos.com/forum/index.php/topic,285.msg2281.html#msg2281) though.  Lowest round in 2-3 years.  Y'all want me on your team.  I'll let you fight over me.

You think you will break 100?

Does break mean more than or less than?

Sunny St. George.  Utah's Dixie.  If it's 40 degrees or better I'll be in short sleeves and (always optional) trousers.

Any prospective team captains may feel free to consider me the Equalizer. Please fight amongst yourselves over who has to take me.

(http://www.nndb.com/people/473/000072257/woodward2.jpg)

*fudge* that. 

I'll play with anybody...even you....so long as they are from the south or they are a southern sympathizer who lives in a border state..Missouri and Kentucky. 

Maryland was also a border state, having clear southern sympathies, although it is not often recognized as one. The northern aggressors absconded Maryland before the first shot was ever fired, as their leaders in the District of Columbia rightly foresaw a need for an escape route.  But they would never be truly safe until arriving in Pennsylvania.

This isn't 'jerrymandering' in the slightest.  It is a policy that recognizes historical accuracy and the political contingencies of the day.

 

I'm in but may have an irregular golfing sched thru Spring due to mad club jobz and general laziness.

I'll play, I guess.  What do I have to do?

My response as well.

I'd like to partake. Unfortunately it's -5 F with 6 inches of snow on the ground here today.

Hmm, that's interesting.  That's about what it's like here as well.

Don't know if I'll be able to partake in such a golf event.  But before I commit or decline, I would also like to know just what you had in mind.

Not really an event, if I understand the idea.  We split into groups, most likely 2, US, and non US with a coin toss to decide who has to take Clive.

You go out and play golf, and then turn in your score.(doesn't matter where, or when.  The brain wizards here ;the guys who are smart real good, and use words like jerrymandering, have a formula to equate the scores.)

We basically play an online match with our real world (all over the world) scores.

Okay, thanks for the explanation.  I didn't think it would be like a DS, but thought a certain month/day might be involved.  Would this be a 1 time thing or weekly/monthly?

I'm guessing weekly, but monthly would be more "doable" for me.

Yikes, I thought it was biennially.

Sounds like a fun idea, but it'll have to wait for warmer weather, for me. I'm bad enough in the summer, let alone at 13°. :sad3:

Let me know what I gotta do and when. ???

Monthly would be better for us, too.  I mean, me.  (Can't speak for Torp, you know.  Of course, I usually golf when he does, and he golfs when I do so....)

Well, this being your site and all, I would think that means that you have the authority to set up the parameters.

You can count me in on monthly, but I suck so I'll play for the non US. :)

Is there some way we can put that to a vote?

 :-\ ;D

anyways, doubt anyone would want me.  I dont play often, I seldom play well..

I haven't studied the "where are you from" thread, but I'm not sure we have the diversity here to do US vs. non-US.  Plus, aren't the handicaps outside of the US calculated much more accurately, so there would be an advantage to non-USGA folks?

I'm not really a fan of captains picking teams either, that can get uncomfortable.  I'm guessing the divider might end up being a specific latitude or longitude, but this is Clive's gig, so it's his call.

Here's some other wacky team ideas:
- oem vs. component - whichever comprises the majority of your bag

- post-padders vs. non-padders - with the stakes being if the non-padders win, we remove post-counts and jackets from this site.  If the post-padders win, those on the winning team get a "multiplier', so that each of their posts will count 2x toward their post count.  [sm_shock]

- drunkards vs. teetotallers with the rule that the alcoholics have to play sober and the teetotallers have to play drunk.  [sm_devil]



**EDIT - fixed typos.  It's not wise to drink while making jokes about drunkards [sm_drinking]**

another idea could be people who (have ever) live(d) in pittsburgh vs. the rest


i think we have like 7 regulars here, at least... who could make the pgh team .
 [sm_devil]

I used to 'live' in Pgh about every other weekend, in the 70s. Does that count?

All great ideas.[sm_thumbsup2]  Guess I fall into this class.  [sm_drink] [sm_drinking] [sm_beertoast]

it surely would.

Cool 8)

Count me in!!! ;D

Handicap schmandicap.

Straight up, bitches.

 :P

BTW, I'm a teetotaller.

He just acts drunk.

Never lived there, but I went to college just north of Pittsburgh (a long, long, long time ago).

Does that count?

Oh, and I dated a girl from North Hills.

If you added up all the time I've spent in Pittsburgh over the years, I'd have at least a few months, maybe more.

Either way, I'm in. When is the tee time and how much are we playing for?

I think a latidutinal segregation would be unfair as those in the west would be saddled with me. My golf skills are less than poor. I have also never visited Pgh, which bodes well for that faction. Maybe we should ro sham beaux for who has to take spaceage.

Well, I suppose we could make a poll about that. lol

Yeah, sure.  Um, I don't think anyone would want me either.  I consider myself a double-par golfer.  So you can't use that as an excuse!

Huh.

I see a team forming already.

Add me to the Clive, spaceage, E-A-G-L-E! misfit toy team.

I'm no supastar.  Except to puttnfoo'....I'm a god.

Thus far, 14 people:

• Aske (PA)
• azsgolf (TX)
• BFBoy (OH)
• Clive (NC) -- 20.3 GT
• dyno (BC) -- 10.4, beyonces
• E-A-G-L-E! (MN)
• fuzzmental (MN) -- 6.4
• JDerion (NJ) -- 12.6
• spaceage (UT)
• stroh (MN)
• tdcoly (PA)
• TFT (OK) -- 23.9
• Uisce Bethea (UT)
• wishicouldhit (Oz)

Might be nice to know handicaps or average 18-hole scores on the course you'd likely play.  8)

I'd love to hop in but the courses here are all winter greens right now and will be until 1 APR.

I'm a 10.4 I think.  Call it 11, I see a bad year coming up.

Might golf with 360 on Sunday....will be the first time I've swung a club in 3 months.  W00t!

An all Black Metal team would be cool.  But I dont want Aske.   [sm_shock]

 ;D

12.6

6.4

Haven't played since 11/20/06.  But I'm ready.

23.9

No official index here. Let's call it 26. (No, I'm not bagging, I really am that bad.)

Thus far, 14 people:

• Aske (PA) -- 10.9-ish
• azsgolf (TX) -- 22.7
• BFBoy (OH)
• Clive (NC) -- 20.3 GT
• dyno (BC) -- 10.4, beyonces
• E-A-G-L-E! (MN)
• fuzzmental (MN) -- 6.4
• JDerion (NJ) -- 12.6
• spaceage (UT) -- "26-ish"
• stroh (MN) -- 16-ish
• tdcoly (PA)
• TFT (OK) -- t00l
• Uisce Bethea (UT) -- 17.1
• wishicouldhit (Oz)

Might be nice to know handicaps or average 18-hole scores on the course you'd likely play.  8)

Last official index was 15.2.

You can use that if you want, or more accurately lately is ~18.  I'm like some others, not bagging, just over the years, I've really lost a step or two.

Mine isn't really 23.9, I was just joining the other guys and pulling a number out of my ass.

 :P

USGA 17.1

I'm pretty sure. 

I keep two.  One "official USGA" formula and another where I count inactive season rounds if the course warrents it.  I can confirm from home.

22.7 by GT, don't have a USGA hdcp. 

Last time i looked at figs i think it was  10.9  or something

D'oh!  I forgot to sign up!  Could you put me down as an alternate if someone else joins so as to have even teams?

dystopia 18.4 GT

Jim,

I think about 80% of us are "winter stuck"  I know up here, I won't be on a course 'til April.

If we ver get to play befor The Masters, it's a good year.

twoiron (OZ) --- 5

Ok...this is really taking off, maybe this will motivate me to practice and play, havent done much of either since back surgery 16 months ago. Can we have a few weeks to get the golf muscles loose?

Seamus (WA) lets' say 20 ish

Can I just pm Clive my golf handicapp, I am too embrassed to say mine, after seeing everybody elses!!!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Look closer.  ;)

Spaceage, I suppose there has to be a few c grade golfer's on this forum!!! I am the main one!!! ;D

FWIW, I'm technically a 20.3 but it'll be a great day if I stay under 100.

Ditto.  I took some lessons, a couple years ago, and tried to really learn golf.  What I did was manage to screw up what little success I had ever had with the game.  Of late, I've been stuggling to just get back to the game.


Besides, wish, you should feel free to show us anything. [sm_naughty] ;D

Anybody seen my blue sock?

Closest guess is about 22.5 :sad3:

Some old guy is using it to clean a club he stole from MFAWG over on figs.

Don't be embarrassed.  I just added myself, sorta.

Sorry, must post a correction.   [sm_redface]

USGA index - 17.7

UBGA* index - 16.8

Take 'yer pick.



* Uisce Beatha Golf Association

What's the highest handicap I can possible have?  That has to be about what mine is.  About 140-150 for 18...

What does 40.4 translate to?  (I don't know how to figure an index)

Interesting. The maximum handicap ladies can hold here is 36, men 27 (although senior citz are allowed to go out to 30).. I would assume that 40.4 would mean that on a par 72 course in order to play to your handicap you'd need to shoot 112 or better...

Depends on the course slope and some black magic.  According to the USGA you should beat your index about 25% of the time.  So if your course is sloped at 107 (113 is average by definition) the calculation is 40.4 * 107 / 113 = 38.25 for a course index of 38.  Assuming a par 72 course you should break 110 one out of four times.  You're saying that's not the case but the USGA doesn't consider a higher index so you're out of luck.   :(

Roughly true but depends on the difficulty of the course (see above).

It's hopelessly flawed.  Don't ask me to defend it.  :-[  ;)

Ah!  Okay.  So to be a true 40.4 I need to do a bit of improving.  Maybe my new clubs can help with that.

Okay, here I go!!!!!! :-[
The highest handicapp in Australia a female can have is 45. (I think you should give Eagle a bit of a helping hand and follow international rules!!!! ;D)
Okay, my handicap is 30.

I'm guessin' Clive has me tagged for the opposing team.   >:( ;)  ;D

maybe he knows a bagger when he sees one
 :o

Ouch.... my honor.... I fear.... I am mortally wounded.

(http://inssite.net/misc/196186NsUR_w.jpg)

I know you, so (a) I know your UBGA index is the more accurate; and (b) I've read your posts about finding your golf groove (Bandon trip, anyone?).

And your posted image is broken.

23.0 (leaderboard.com)

Ted

(a)  Fair enough.  ;)

(b)  LOL.  Those two Bandon rounds plus one other are the reason for the 0.9 difference. 

 :) :) :)

Who is that, a young Vincent Price?

Resolution loss, color faded, bad photoshop of your co-worker in front of the wiener mobile.

Ok, I`m in but I`ll start next month!

 H`cap 13.4

 stevie 8)

You missed the +.

My average is a bit higher than what I was thinking of the top of my head.  About 155 at Phalen (my "home" course).  Not even a true 40.4. :(

rar, why didn't i ever get into this?

I'm somewhere between 26 and 27, depending on putting...

Speaking of.

Clive, is this thing on?  I'm playing 18 this weekend on a good course that's not in an inactive season.  Do you need anything from me (rating/slope/course index)?

Oh, more importantly, who's on my team and are they willing to pitch in for beer? 

• twoiron (OZ) -- 5
• fuzzmental (MN) -- 6.4
• dyno (BC) -- 10.4, beyonces
• Aske (PA) -- 10.9-ish
• Walfredo (OK) -- 10.6
• JDerion (NJ) -- 12.6
• stroh (MN) -- 16-ish
• Uisce Bethea (UT) -- 16.8
• dystopia (CA) -- 18.4 GT
• Seamus (WA) -- 20-ish
• Clive (NC) -- 20.3

• BFBoy (OH) -- 22.5
• azsgolf (TX) -- 22.7
• tdcoly (PA) -- 23
• spaceage (UT) -- "26-ish"
• Salamander (PA) -- 26.5
• wishicouldhit (Oz) -- 30

• TFT (OK) -- t00l

• E-A-G-L-E! (MN) -- um, average of 84-over on a 70.7/125 course (reds) = ... computing ... guesstimating number of scores >10 that get ESC'ed down to 10 ... computing ... (~151-70.7)(113/125) = ... 87.1.  (Uisce, check me, please.)

Oh dear, I'm not sure how to handle that.  ::)

Temporary holding pattern until the weather breaks a little for the Northern folks.  (I'm hoping they'll have a sun-break day and can rush out to enjoy the soft breath of Spring as they try to outrun the Ton Tons.)

Targeting late March, although I'm told golf in MN begins around Masters week.

Sure why not.  (*)



* handicap with a lowercase "h".   [sm_devil] ;) :)

I'll play.  My gametrack index is 10.55

And I happen to live in the same state as that tool TFT.

Do you know his toolicap?

 :o

Not sure.  He sucks big time. ;D

Last time we played I beat him by a few strokes and out drove him all day.  Not sure he could even muster the strength to get out on the course again after that beating.

I bet he is a high single digit or low double digit with a horendous short game. ::)

A guy who can carry a 10 with a horrendous short game is pretty darn good, IMO.

He must cheat then.  Ask him about 4 putting ;D

Seriously, he's pretty good and that is just a complete guess at his handicap after seeing him play one round. 

 :-[ :-[

I've got the rounds I've played since '05 on gametrack if you need them.

*sigh*

Don't listen to them, Dear.  It's just pre-game...hub bub.  It'll be fine.

That may be, but seeing that 87.1 is worth a sigh. lol, I didn't realize I was that terrible.

Hey, it almost sounds like you made that *feces* up.

 ;D

I'll take E-A-G-L-E on my squad. We'll even temporarily rename the Death Squad to the Flowers Squad or Mashed Potato Squad or whatever, if need be.

So how are we allocating these team strokes?  ;)

Assuming the teams are sufficiently large and with full realization that cheating sandbaggers are rampant on this board, I was loosely thinking we'd probably throw out the high and low net scores and either sum or average the remainder.

Just in case the internets are still around in late March, put me in as a 4.4 and note my request to play with two iron as "Team Pirate"----arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggh

BUT...I won't play unless I get 5 smites in the next 30 minutes

Since the weather in most of the contiguous states is improving to the point that many of us are/or will soon be playing golf, is there any interest left in this endeavor?

75 degrees and sunny in Northern California today, bring it on.

May be playing my first round of the year on Monday. :)

Very much so.  Courses here, just opened this week.  I'm probably still a good week out on getting in an actual round, but if someone (pr. Clive) wants to set a start date, and a deadline for the first round of scores to be posted, I'll roll with it. :)

How about May Day somewhere around there? It has a nice GolfHos ring to it.

Woah.  Not just any old bunch of libs. 

(http://img.timeinc.net/Life/classicpictures/mayday/tanks.jpg)

;D

Is there room for one more? ???

If so, GT = 8.95.

I'll be on any tool's team if need be. [sm_drink] ;)

LOL.

Da Komrade.

Maydayski poibusk zer golph.

Oh, there's still an interest!  I've been waiting for our Frozen Northerly friends to thaw.  Sounds like it's getting there.  :D

• twoiron (OZ) -- 5
• fuzzmental (MN) -- 6.4
• dyno (BC) -- 10.4, beyonces
• Dunk (Canada) -- 9.0
• Aske (PA) -- 10.9-ish
• Walfredo (OK) -- 10.6
• JDerion (NJ) -- 12.6
• stroh (MN) -- 16-ish
• Uisce Bethea (UT) -- 16.8
• dystopia (CA) -- 18.4 GT
• Seamus (WA) -- 20-ish
• Clive (NC) -- 20.3

• BFBoy (OH) -- 22.5
• azsgolf (TX) -- 22.7
• tdcoly (PA) -- 23
• spaceage (UT) -- "26-ish"
• Salamander (PA) -- 26.5
• wishicouldhit (Oz) -- 30

• TFT (OK) -- t00l

• E-A-G-L-E! (MN) -- 87.1

Playin' tomorrow Clive off course index of 19 (USGA: 17.4 x 126 / 113 and/or WTF: 16.6 x 126 / 113).

Do with me what you will.

edit:  93 = 19.3 diff; 92 ESC = 18.4 diff.   Four penalties, three of them S&D. :sad3:

Sign me up if there's still room!  I am about a 17 handicap.

Played nine holes, today. Nothing was too bad, and nothing was really great. The wind was howling, which made any club selection iffy. My irons were pretty good, and the hybrids were working nicely.
Anyway, I shot 44, 7 bogeys, 1 double and 1 par. 17 putts, 3 jacked the last one for bogey. :sad3: [sm_disgust]
Course rating 69.8, slope 113.

Just had to bold the 87.1, didn't you?



lol :D

Hehe. :D

Bump.

We're thawed.  ;D

Let's rock.

Serendipitous that this would get bumped after my total meltdown at Wingpointe.

Now that you mention it........ ;)

Clive,

Since, it seems seems we're all up and running (save Mr. Dunk, and please chime in, if you're not yet thawed) can you draft something?

Teams.  Start date.  Format. Deadlines.  Postings.

Are we gonna run this as a running competition, or as a 1, or 2 time post, vs. cumulative?

I'm up for any way(oh, boy talk about serving up a softball.  My assless chaps are out being altered.)

Courses are opening up here this week.  Work permitting, I'll be able to golf tomorrow (Thursday) and Monday Apr 30. 

I'm probably playing this Sunday.

What's happening?

(http://www.dvdinmypants.com/features/03-06/images/whats1.jpg)

Has there been a determination as to where this unholy event will take place?  I'd like to be considered.  Current Index is 17.2.

Your course.  We just turn in scores online.


Someday, hopefully, there will be a mass GolfHos mixer!

Yes, Clive, I also would like to know what you're setting up.  I'm still wondering if it's something I can commit to.

Alright, my far-flung Ryder Cuppers, the time draws nigh for heads to be polished, balls washed ... and blood spilt.

My preliminary thought is to conduct the campaign as a series of nine-hole battles.  Assuming honest handicaps (oh, I crack myself up!), matches will be randomly drawn.  Could be singles or any mix used in the real Ryder Cup formats; probably just parallel the RC format for familiarity's sake.

I'm going to review the list of participants, try to trim them into two lists with roughly even handicap distributions, and pick the two biggest jackasses to be the respective team captains.  (The positions are merely titular, as the captains have no real responsibility save being blamed for the team's performance, particular players' lack of playing time, sandbagging, and so on.)

Personally, I can maybe play this Sunday, then my wife has me booked until 20MAY2007.

• twoiron (OZ) -- 5
• fuzzmental (MN) -- 6.4
• dyno (BC) -- 10.4, beyonces
• Dunk (Canada) -- 9.0
• Aske (PA) -- 10.9-ish
• Walfredo (OK) -- 10.6
• JDerion (NJ) -- 12.6
• stroh (MN) -- 16-ish
• Uisce Bethea (UT) -- 16.8
• golferray (OK) -- 17-ish
• 1puttpar (CA) -- 17.2 GT
• dystopia (CA) -- 18.4 GT
• Seamus (WA) -- 20-ish
• Clive (NC) -- 20.3

• BFBoy (OH) -- 22.5
• azsgolf (TX) -- 22.7
• tdcoly (PA) -- 23
• spaceage (UT) -- "26-ish"
• Salamander (PA) -- 26.5
• wishicouldhit (Oz) -- 30

• TFT (OK) -- t00l

• E-A-G-L-E! (MN) -- 87.1

So a series of 9 hole battles... how often?

And you just had to bold the 87.1 again, didn't you? ::) :D

hehe, "titular." hehe.

LOL!  I think you just lifted your head high enough out of the foxhole to get pinged on the radar.

El - Capitan!

Ping!

I'm playing for sure Sunday morning.

Clive can't leave us hanging on this forever.  Get your chit together Persnicketymon!!!   [sm_protest]

Shot a 43 today to combine with another 43 on the same course.  Index is down to 16.2 USGA.  Shooting for 14.0 or better by end of season.

Maybe I'll be scratch by the time this thing gets organized.  Glad I didn't volunteer to do it by the way.  Leaves more time for golf, trans-Siberian testicle examinations and my search for the perfect French onion soup.

Playing next Tuesday at TalonsCove (http://www.talonscove.com) (they don't have an apostrophe so who am I to say otherwise?) with my cousin, his dad in from Shannon and a friend.  Followed by Liverpool v. Chelsea over grub and Madame X Nitro Stout at Hoppers.  Will be a good time to be sure.

Anyway, course index is 16 if anyone ::) cares.

Fixed URL  :P

I think he just doesn't want to find a way to make the teams even considering the 87.1 handicap that someone has...

Did I mention that the two times I've been out have been pb's? ;D

Congrats Bird of Pray. 

Clive has a fancy calculator.  Trust me.  There's no way that dude could make it through the day without knowing the standard deviation of today's gas prices.

Thanks! (Nice pun, too.) 

And lol. :D

Sandbagger. [sm_shock] ;)

New clubs.  (Can't believe you already forgot about them. ::) )  Also remembered a tip or two that help me. Between those things (and getting out on the course more, hopefully), I might be down in the 130's by the end of the year. 

At 14.0 what would your average score be?

High 80s I guess.  It doesn't really lend itself to figuring out an average as only 10 of 20 rounds count and then you've got ratings and slopes to work out.  Most of the courses I play have slopes in the 125 range.  My home course is 71.6/131.

My average score over rounds that count toward my index is currently 91 on the nose.

I shot a 44 last Sunday, If we've started already.

[Edit] 44. The Ponds.  White course.  White Tees.  33.9/125.  Oh, and it was really windy that day.  Don't forget to add the wind.  Some rain too.  Not a lot, but some rain.  Mostly the wind.  Make sure you add in the wind.

91 sounds super-fantastic to me! 8)

We're still waitin' for Clive to post the final details and etc.

That wind was so strong at times!  On the green (hole 6 at Phalen), my little golf ball was vibrating so much that I was beginning to wonder if it was gonna start rolling.

Please see new thread in this forum for confirmation and whatnot.

http://www.golfhos.com/topic-3195.html