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Seriously, you wouldn't think it would be possible to screw up Los Angeles this bad, but these turds managed to do it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7d9X4JI9uE&mode=related&search=

Just for comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmGiDfcTnc&mode=related&search=

It's not an overly complicated arrangement or song, but then again Billy Zoom and DJ Bonebrake may be 2 of the most underrated musicians of the last 25 years...

I can't get in to you tube at work.

But if it's a vote I would say the "band" that may arguably have started it all is the worst ever, thus my avatar, I think it was Johnny Rottens last words he ever uttered on stage fronting the Pistols.

"Ever feel like you've been ripped off"

The Ramones started it all, by touring England in 1976 and being seeing by a generation of English kids that were tired of bloviating art rockers.

Enter Malcolm McLaren, who had been hanging out in New York managing the New York Dolls, and watching bands like The Stooges, and some band with Richard Hell in it. Hell was the prototype of punk fashion.

The rest, as they say, is history, although the sad part is it would take a generation for America to catch up.

Ok.

 ???

What's the question?

They'd been playing around New York since 1974 or so (I remember a very, very bad documentary film of them sharing the stage with Dee Snider's glam band, so poorly produced that none of the vocals lined up with the footage), but were 'Prophets Without Honor' in the US, even after touring England in the summer of 1976 to universal acclaim...

Youtube is blocked at my work as well, but anything involving GG Allin gets my vote for worst punk band(s) ever, though music is only part of the equation.

just the question was surely you weren't arguing that the ramones (ALONE) caused the growth of the uk punk scene by touring.... when there were already so many other previous proto 1st wave bands in the us, and uk....   from 68/69 to 75 or so... and with of course several of the (later to be big) uk punk bands actually forming in 74 and/or 75...    maybe their tour was the catalyst that brought it into quasi-mainstream attention ?

I think to trace the "start" of punk music is impossible. Did heavy metal "start" with Black Sabbath? I guess an argument could be made to that effect, but I think it would be incorrect and ignore a number of influences that came before.

IMO, the beginning of "punk" music is much older than leather jackets w/ spikes, or any specific hairstyle. I won't attempt to trace it all the way back to Vienna or anything lame like that, but I think an argument can be made that artists like David Bowie, Jimi Hendrix, Lou Reed, David Johansen (sp?) and even country acts like Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc. had at least as much influence on the punk movement as a whole as did Joey Ramone and John Lydon.

I can't say for certain when punk "started" but I can say with a fair amount of certainty that it was more of an evolution than a creation.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get the *fudge* out of my way.

The correct analogy brother stroh would be "the which came first thing".

I thik MFAWG is almost correct in his assesment. It is widely accepted that there are a few groups who can legitimately lay claim to being the so called "first" in terms of punk.
The Ramones, The New York Dolls, Iggy and the Stooges are probably pretty close in terms of the genesis. There was however what could be defined as proto-punk in the 60's and very early 70's. In 1969 we had a group called MC5 out of Detroit which could be classified in this proto punk sub genre.

Ramones, Dolls, Iggy...which came first. show me?

My argument for this has always been yes, because of the tuning, no one had tuned down the guitar in the key that he played (plays), and it was that down-tuning (a result of almost cutting his finger off, blah, blah, blah I know you all know that), that gave us that "heavy" sound. Again if you can show me a band that played in the devils triad key before Sabbath, karma for you.

I think that if drop tuning were the only thing that makes heavy metal such, you'd probably be 100% right. I don't argue that Sabbath isn't probably the quintessential  example of the earliest  :airquotes: heavy metal :airquotes: work, or that Black Sabbath probably isn't arguably the primary example of what could be classically coined as a "Heavy Metal Album." But it is arguable that there were bands (Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, to name a few) who operating before and concurrently with Sabbath who were every bit as influential on the formation of the genre as a whole.

spaceage.

Jethro Tull? Heavy Metal? are you f'ing kidding me? Somewhere in California Lars Ulrich started to twitch uncontrollably.

I didn't say they were heavy metal (despite what the Grammys think), just that they were influential on the genre. Lars Ulrich is a tool anyway.

Ok. Jethro Tull influential on the heavy metal genre, are you f'ing kidding me? [sm_shock]

That's like saying the Alan Parsons Project was a major influence on death metal anyone.

Wasn't the Allan Parsons Project some sort of hovercraft?

It was a  :airquotes: laser :airquotes: wasn't it?

LOL  For the thread, yes.

I was goin' with........'Cuz he was stapled to the punkrocker's ear.

 ;D [sm_thankyou]

Yeah, punk had been around as 'Garage Bands' since the beginning (one of Clashes  ;) early songs is 'We're a Garage Band'), but the guys who took it to fame in the UK were The Ramones in 1976, and Iggy was the bridge between that and the largely underground 'Glam' club scene and TRex, Bowie, et al.

The modern corollary is that The Beastie Boys actually started as kids who hung around hardcore shows in NYC in the early 80's, and saw that the fusion between hip hop and hardcore wasn't only possible, but almost necessary for a buying demographic that consists of a large percentage of young, suburban (white) males.

Everything old is new again, or so they say. Elvis had done it 30 years before with black gospel and honky tonk music, The Byrds took NY Folk music to the West Coast and made the early LA sound that would culminate in The Eagles, the list goes on and on...

This is all a threadjack anyway. The 'Punks' from Sao Paolo just deeply suck....

Not really, it, like music itself just morphed. Besides I stand by my original statement, without hearing or seeing the band you mentioned from youtube I'm betting they don't suck worse than the **** Pistols, 2 of the 3 Pistols could not even play their instruments when they first started, some would argue they never could.

Sid Vicious couldn't play bass, but he's not the bassist on the album, or at the early shows. That was Glen Matlock, who was fired after the release of God Save The Queen as a single.

Steve Jones and Paul Cook had been in a band called The Strand since 1972, which was the band McLaren was managing when he decided that his clothing line needed some poster children.

The statement that 'Punk Rockers Couldn't Play' is pretty much a fallacy, at least as far as big name bands go. Great technical musicians, certainly not, but not neophytes either.

Dave Alvin of The Blasters actually quit as X's guitarist because he didn't realize how complex Billy Zooms parts actually were, as one illustration of the point.

And they stopped sucking in what year?

I didn't say that punk rockers couldn't play, I said that 2 of the 3 **** pistols couldn't play.

And therefore they suck worse than the sucky band that you posted from you tube and it sucks that I can't watch it just to prove which sucky band sucked the worst.

Who started 'Sucking'?

I saw X (as well as Rollins) last December, they looked and sounded GREAT, although Exene's looked better...

I'll assume you're referring to The Pistol's. They may have started sucking in 1977, when McLaren made the switch for purely visual reasons.

Well, you might be mistaken. 3 of the 4  original members could play, although Lydon has never been a singer in any commonly understood sense of the term, but that never stopped Woody Guthrie, Johnny Cash, or Bob Dylan...




Dude, they DEEPLY, DEEPLY suck....

The drummer looks to be a hobbit.

That band sure did suck. They just plain sucked! I've seen bands suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.