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Title: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 24, 2007, 10:39:03 PM
Let's try a new game. I'll name two musicians, and you try to figure out the links between the musicians and the associated bands that form a continuous chain that connect the two musicians.

Rules:
1. Musician to musician links must be through band membership or a recorded studio performance. Band membership must also have yielded a recorded studio performance for the link to be legal. The recorded studio performance stipulation is to eliminate the use of tribute concert performances that may bring together many different artists and make this too easy. Also, there is no link between two musicians simply because one musician covers a song by another musician.

2. For the purposes of this game, a "band" can be a solo artist and his/her collection of back-up musicians. For example, "Ozzy Osbourne" can be used as both a band and a musician.

3. Links should be outlined in this form of:
<Musician 1> - <Musician 2> (<Band/Performance>)

For example:
Ian Gillan - Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple)
Lita Ford - Ozzy Osbourne ("Close My Eyes Forever")

4. Adjacent links must end and start with the same musician.
For example:
Ian Gillan - Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple)
Ritchie Blackmore - Graham Bonnet (Rainbow)

5. A corrollary to Rule 1 is that musicians must be contempories in the same band since they wouldn't have been able to record together otherwise.
For example, Ronnie James Dio - Graham Bonnet (Rainbow) is illegal since they were not contemporaries.

6. The same band cannot be used in two consecutive links although they may be used multiple times in the same chain. This prevents the use of a long-time member of a band to serve as a common bond between two musicians that were not contemporaries. For example, this would be illegal:

Ronnie James Dio - Ritchie Blackmore (Rainbow)
Ritchie Blackmore - Graham Bonnet (Rainbow)


7. Links do not have to be chronological order (which could make some chains impossible otherwise).

8. There could be multiple correct answers, but you only need to find one. However, shorter chains trump longer chains.

9. You do not have to use Ritchie Blackmore.

10. Use of Wikipedia is allowed and encouraged.

11. If you answer correctly, you're responsible for coming up with the next challenge.

OK. Got it?

Here's a fairly easy one to start with:

Tony Iommi -> Joe Lynn Turner


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 25, 2007, 12:37:53 AM
Who are 2 guys who've never been in my kitchen, Alex?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: stroh on August 25, 2007, 06:39:31 AM
Who are 2 guys who've never been in my kitchen, Alex?

 [sm_laughatyou]  ditto.


I'm not sure I get it completely,( [sm_coffee] :sick: [sm_yuck])  but I'll give it a shot.


Tony Iommi -> Joe Lynn Turner (Black Sabbath via Ian Gillan)  ?

[Edit:  *feces*, I know that's not right.  :-\ ]


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Seamus on August 25, 2007, 06:59:38 AM
I'm not 100% on this either.

Ronnie James Dio was in Rainbow.

Joe Lynn Turner was in Rainbow.

Ronnie James Dio was in Black Sabbath w/ Tony Iommi after Ozzy.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Spanky on August 25, 2007, 08:42:19 AM
Ok this would be way too much work for me. I'll leave it to the experts.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 09:14:08 AM
So rule #1 allows for Harrison-Clapton and also disallows Harrison-Clapton.  Right?

I get this.  It's very Irish.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 25, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
Tony Iommi - Ian Gillan (Black Sabbath)
Ian Gillan - Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple)
Ritchie Blackmore - Joe Lynn Turner (Rainbow)

I thought this would be easy.



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 25, 2007, 09:23:52 AM
So rule #1 allows for Harrison-Clapton and also disallows Harrison-Clapton.  Right?

I get this.  It's very Irish.

Rule #1 just means that you can use collaborations on a single song or album as links. A musician doesn't necessarily have to join the band. For example, David Bowie recorded "Under Pressure" with Queen, but Bowie never joined the band or never toured with Queen (I think). On the flipside, when bands tour they sometimes hire temporary musicians when regular bandmembers are too drunk or too coked up. It's too tough to verify these brief "guns for hire"-type associations even though these replacement muscians technically become members of the band. So I added the rule that band members must have recorded a studio work together for the link to count. Make sense?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 09:26:48 AM
I'm with you gleek.  Just being annoyingly glib.  It's the hangover speaking.   [sm_coffee]


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: stroh on August 25, 2007, 09:35:00 AM
(http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/schoolforthegifted.jpg)


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 09:38:34 AM
I'll give it a try.

David Bowie <--> Jimmy Page.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 25, 2007, 10:00:21 AM
I'll give it a try.

David Bowie <--> Jimmy Page.

This could be breaking rule #6 since Queen is part of two consecutive collaborations:
 
David Bowie - Brian May ("Under Pressure")
Brian May - Paul Rodgers (Queen + Paul Rodgers)
Paul Rodgers - Jimmy Page (The Firm)


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 10:03:45 AM
This could be breaking rule #6 since Queen is part of two consecutive collaborations:

My hrair limit is five.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 25, 2007, 10:04:30 AM
It <--> Blackheim


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 25, 2007, 10:10:40 AM
It <--> Blackheim

Is that "Cousin It"?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 10:20:36 AM
It <--> Blackheim

Is that "Cousin It"?

Is that "Blackheim Steamroller"?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: stroh on August 25, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
Peaches and Herb.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 25, 2007, 10:28:05 AM
Ozzy Osbourne <--> Ricky Nelson


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 25, 2007, 10:46:17 AM
Ozzy Osbourne <--> Ricky Nelson

Hint: There are a couple of ways to get here, but both go through the same drummer.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 25, 2007, 11:09:15 AM
Ozzy Osbourne-Miss Piggy

Miss Piggy-Kermit The Frog

Kermit The Frog-Don Henley

Don Henley-Linda Rondstadt

Linda Rondstadt-Hoyt Axton

Hoyt Axton-Everybody in Nashville AND LA from 1963 to 1999

Everybody in Nashville AND LA from 1963 to 1985-Ricky Nelson.

I'm actually reasonably certain that they've both worked with Kris Kristofferson, but there are probably a half a dozen names that come up as well, Roger Miller, Johnny Cash, etc, etc, etc.

For that matter, Rondstadt probably worked with  Nelson at one point or another.



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 25, 2007, 11:27:57 AM
Ozzy Osbourne <--> Ricky Nelson

Hint: There are a couple of ways to get here, but both go through the same drummer.

I think I almost got it, but I have to be... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNMV1ePN8rk)


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 11:30:28 AM
Spacey's is tough.  Too tough for me at any rate.  Aske's is too obscure for most of us I suspect.  Here's another for your consideration.  I think it breaks 19 or 20 of gleek's rules but there's a legitimate, albeit difficult and not entirely musical, trail to follow.

Pink Floyd <--> John Ford Coley


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 25, 2007, 11:32:36 AM
Ozzy Osbourne <--> Ricky Nelson

Hint: There are a couple of ways to get here, but both go through the same drummer.

I think I almost got it, but I have to be... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNMV1ePN8rk)

Karma for you!!!!

What are you wearing?



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 25, 2007, 11:53:24 AM
lol. I didn't realize Muppets were allowed. Much cooler than the route I was going though. Here's the combination I was thinking:

Option 1:
Ozzy ----> Lita Ford
Lita Ford----> Eric Singer

Option 2:
Ozzy----> Tony Iommi
Toni Iommi---->Eric Singer

Eric Singer---->Gene Simmons
Gene Simmons---->Ricky Nelson (Appeared on Gene's solo Album from 1978)


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 25, 2007, 12:10:28 PM
LOL, I saw the Wiki entry for Ms. Piggy and Ozzy, and I KNEW it had to be there.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 25, 2007, 12:25:30 PM
John Ford Coley ----> Air Supply
Air Supply ----> Jim Steinman
Jim Steinman ----> Streets of Fire...

Oops, got sidelined there. Back to the drawing board.  [sm_scratch]


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 03:04:46 PM
Two hints:

1) Utah connection
2) Sports connection

That should help someone out there.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 25, 2007, 03:45:56 PM
Two hints:

1) Utah connection
2) Sports connection

That should help someone out there.
Unless you're talking about the flamingo that lives on the Great Salt Lake, I'm stumped. I keep dead ending with Dan Seals and Marie Osmond.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 25, 2007, 03:53:11 PM
Dan Seals and Marie Osmond.

[sm_thumbsup]

There's a bit Seamie might get after a bit of thought.  After that, one more connection and, to use one of your favorite words, it's a bit esoteric.  ;)


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Seamus on August 26, 2007, 07:52:31 AM
John Ford Coley<--->Utopia Artists Agency
Utopia Artists Agency<--->Ambrosia
Ambrosia<--->Alan Parsons
Alan Parsons<--->Pink Floyd

 ??? ??? ??? ???

Dan Seals and Marie Osmond are connected directly, so I can't tell if you guys are just being funny or what.

This is wicked fun, harder than heck sometimes, but really cool nonetheless!  :P


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 26, 2007, 08:13:32 AM
It <--> Blackheim

Is that "Cousin It"?

no.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2007, 08:16:54 AM


This is wicked fun, harder than heck sometimes, but really cool nonetheless!  :P

Yeah, I've got it way up on my list.  Right after prostate biopsy.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 08:22:29 AM

Is "It" the answer to the question asked countless times in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsETamxkT9E)?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 26, 2007, 08:24:16 AM

Is "It" the answer to the question asked countless times in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsETamxkT9E)?

no.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2007, 08:29:45 AM
LOL!  I'm searching "Wiki" for an answer, and I get the list of "Metal" genres.

Black Metal

Death Metal




Blackened Death Metal.   [sm_laughing]  LOL  Who knew?

Sorta Dead Cajun Blackened Metal.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 08:36:17 AM
lol. I didn't realize Muppets were allowed. Much cooler than the route I was going though. Here's the combination I was thinking:

Option 1:
Ozzy ----> Lita Ford
Lita Ford----> Eric Singer

Option 2:
Ozzy----> Tony Iommi
Toni Iommi---->Eric Singer

Eric Singer---->Gene Simmons
Gene Simmons---->Ricky Nelson (Appeared on Gene's solo Album from 1978)

Aw, crap! I started with Ricky Nelson and his association with Phil Volk and the Stone Canyon Band and then Phil Volk's association with "Paul Revere and the Raiders" (who incidentally had a minor hit song called "Steppin' Out" BTW).

I thought I was getting close because I read on Wikipedia that Mark Lindsay, a band member of the Raiders, wanted to play harder rock like that of "Led Zeppelin or the James Gang". It looks like Google and Wikipedia led me down the path to the Dark Side. :sad3:


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 08:40:45 AM
Ozzy Osbourne <--> Ricky Nelson

Hint: There are a couple of ways to get here, but both go through the same drummer.

I think I almost got it, but I have to be... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNMV1ePN8rk)

Karma for you!!!!

What are you wearing?


Yesterday, I was wearing pink and blue just like a child.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 08:50:26 AM
Here's a fun one. Link these two rock guitar legends:

David Gilmour <--> Brian May

Hint: The chain will be linked by 2 other rock guitar legends.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 09:53:04 AM
Here's a fun one. Link these two rock guitar legends:

David Gilmour <--> Brian May

Hint: The chain will be linked by 2 other rock guitar legends.

Any muppets involved?



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 09:57:36 AM
Here's a fun one. Link these two rock guitar legends:

David Gilmour <--> Brian May

Hint: The chain will be linked by 2 other rock guitar legends.

Any muppets involved?

Not that I know of, but you get bonus points if you can work one in.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 10:24:40 AM
How about keyboard players:

David Gilmour-Rick Wakeman

Rick Wakeman-Brian May

And trust me, I could work a muppet in here by way of Elton John or Alice Cooper... :D






Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 10:43:02 AM
How about keyboard players:

David Gilmour-Rick Wakeman

Rick Wakeman-Brian May

And trust me, I could work a muppet in here by way of Elton John or Alice Cooper... :D


Can you list the group, album, or song for each of these collaborations? I'm assuming Wakeman played on a Floyd album, but I'm not seeing it on Wikipedia.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 11:02:53 AM
How about keyboard players:

David Gilmour-Rick Wakeman

Rick Wakeman-Brian May

And trust me, I could work a muppet in here by way of Elton John or Alice Cooper... :D


Can you list the group, album, or song for each of these collaborations? I'm assuming Wakeman played on a Floyd album, but I'm not seeing it on Wikipedia.

LOL, I thought I saw it.

I'm going to claim to have been screwed by Wikipedia...


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
I give up... :sad3:


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 26, 2007, 11:35:18 AM
after some wiki'ing around it seems like gleek is cleverly working around his own ruleset


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Spanky on August 26, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
My guess is Stephen King, I've been looking but I just can't make the connection. Of course I haven't tried the muppets route.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 07:07:51 PM
I give up... :sad3:

Here are a couple of hints:

There is one "supergroup" in the chain and one sort of "after-the-fact" supergroup (i.e. the members didn't become truly famous until they went on to form their own bands).

One of the guitar legends played as a session musician on a solo record released by a former frontman of a legendary rock band after a controversial split.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 07:36:12 PM
Try this on:

David Gilmour-Roger Waters

Roger Waters-Jeff Beck

Jeff Beck-Cozy Powell

Cozy Powell-Brian May



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 08:19:30 PM
Try this on:

David Gilmour-Roger Waters

Roger Waters-Jeff Beck

Jeff Beck-Cozy Powell

Cozy Powell-Brian May


Well, I'll be damned. There's actually a solution that's even shorter than yours.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2007, 08:24:49 PM
LOL, I give up, seriously.



Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 26, 2007, 08:27:30 PM
7.2 degrees?  lol


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
LOL, I give up, seriously.

Just get rid of Cozy Powell. Beck played on solo albums by both Waters and May. That's the shortest solution.

My original roundabout solution was:

David Gilmour - (Pink Floyd) - Roger Waters - ("The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking") - Eric Clapton -
(The Yardbirds) - Jimmy Page - (The Firm) - Paul Rodgers - (Queen + Paul Rodgers) - Brian May

Jeff Beck, who was also a member of the Yardbirds, obviates the need for Clapton, Page, and Rodgers.  :sad3:


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: spacey on August 26, 2007, 09:19:20 PM
How does Jim Steinman fit in?  [sm_scratch] [sm_dontknow]


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Aske on August 26, 2007, 09:30:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Aid_Armenia


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2007, 09:49:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Aid_Armenia

;D

I guess a clarification of rule #1 should be that a "performance" is defined as a song, since there are also many compilation albums with separate recordings by different groups.

Of course, your album may still pass this test since many of these performers sang together on these songs.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on May 02, 2008, 07:19:07 AM
Tommy Shaw <--> Steve Winwood


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Spanky on May 02, 2008, 07:50:49 AM
Tommy Shaw <--> Steve Winwood
Steve Winwood? Who gives a flying *fudge*?


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 02, 2008, 01:08:44 PM
Tommy Shaw <--> Steve Winwood
Steve Winwood? Who gives a flying *fudge*?

[sm_shock]  *smite*

7_nwbTeIN4Y


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: 1puttpar on May 02, 2008, 04:37:41 PM
Tommy Shaw <--> Steve Winwood


Tommy Shaw-Ted Nugent
Ted Nugent-Jason Bonham
Jason Bonham-Jimmy Page
Jimmy Page-Eric Clapton
Eric Clapton-Steve Winwood


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: gleek on May 02, 2008, 05:45:15 PM
Tommy Shaw <--> Steve Winwood


Tommy Shaw-Ted Nugent
Ted Nugent-Jason Bonham
Jason Bonham-Jimmy Page
Jimmy Page-Eric Clapton
Eric Clapton-Steve Winwood

Does "SuperGroup" really count as a group? ;D


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: APTech on May 03, 2008, 07:47:09 AM
Steven Tyler <......> Ted Nugent


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Jules on May 03, 2008, 03:05:36 PM
Steven Tyler <......> Ted Nugent
Their connection is Liv Tyler, Ted Nugent is her step-father who brought raised her, but she only found out in her pre-teens that Steven Tyler was her real father.


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: APTech on May 04, 2008, 06:19:45 AM
Steven Tyler <......> Ted Nugent
Their connection is Liv Tyler, Ted Nugent is her step-father who brought raised her, but she only found out in her pre-teens that Steven Tyler was her real father.


No, there is a musical/band connection.
Steven Tyler & Brad Whitford Aerosmith
Brad Whitford & Derek St. Holmes put out an album together
Derek St. Holmes sang and played guitar on several Nugent Albums


Title: Re: Six Degrees of Ritchie Blackmore
Post by: Jules on May 04, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
Steven Tyler <......> Ted Nugent
Their connection is Liv Tyler, Ted Nugent is her step-father who brought raised her, but she only found out in her pre-teens that Steven Tyler was her real father.



No, there is a musical/band connection.
Steven Tyler & Brad Whitford Aerosmith
Brad Whitford & Derek St. Holmes put out an album together
Derek St. Holmes sang and played guitar on several Nugent Albums
:-[ :-[
Yeah but........isn't mine more interesting. ;D ;D ;D