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The experiment is over Chili.

15 *goshdarn* points today on 5 field goals?? The Vikings should have blown out the Colts today. You are squandering one of the top defenses in the NFL.

MF hate!

Jackson is learning, Childress is not.

The Childress experiment is the one that should be over.

This is a SuperBowl contending team with a good Coach. [sm_banghead]

Jackson may be learning but not fast enough for this team. From what I saw the OL has some weakness too. In this league and not knowing what is going to happen with the salary cap the Viks need to win sooner then later.

LMAO.  not a chance.

twhack is regressing.  64.7952 QB rating so far this year

This is the only time I will sound Torpedo-like.

When no one can run against you they will be throwing all the time so the yardage statistics will be skewed a bit.

This unit is one of the top half dozen in the NFL. Very definitely good enough to win it all.

But they won't because the offense (outside of Peterson) is failing badly.

Hicks played pretty well with McKinnie being out, but you can really tell when Mckinnie isn't in.

I won't diss their pass D on total yards, I'll diss it on DVOA stats  ;)   ...  they seem to really suck at reacting to receivers who adjust / break off routes... the interior middle zone coverage is also atrocious.

AD just got the 5th most rushing yards ever in the history of the NFL for the first half today, and with our defense there is a chance.

And anyone that has watched (more than a few games) T.Jack play would know he is making a lot better decisions than last year. He's not forcing balls as much. He's learning when to run and when not run, and slide.

Everyone is grading him as if he was a first overall pick, he was the last pick in the 2nd round of the draft, it is going to take some time for him to learn things, and he is.

I'm fine with however one looks at it but <20 points given up at home better mean a W.

W-L is the only stat at the end of the day.

And DVOA had Atlanta #2 last week.  [sm_shock] ;) ;D

Sorry Torp. They traded up to pick him and anointed him the quarterback of the future. NFL = Not For Long. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

This is his third year in the league. Learning time is over.

They are wasting this defense.

I agree, it's all about W's.

As for DVOA, no, DVOA comes out in week 4 after there's enough stats available to start building it.  right now it's just VOA.  and atlanta did play exceedingly above league average last week.... just against a really below average team  ;)    in week 4, the D will kick in and DVOA will put atlanta back where they belong.    The DAVE ranking is what you should really look at on that site right now .. for now...

Well, the whole Montana, Brady thing is a bit rare, but I WILL say that yes, you wasted the draft pick on him, there are a ton of backup qb's who could be running your offense better.   70 lifetime QB rating is not gonna keep you in the league for long....

anyways, you are not just wasting the defense, you're wasting peterson who is not built to take 30 carries a game in the NFL every week.  2 more years of carries like that against rabid defenses keyed on the run  (with tjoke at this performance level) and peterson will be done in 7 years total.

3 years, but today's game was only his 16th career start, so only one season of starting. Not many QB's do well with only one year of starting under their belt.

Torp, I know you can't be convinced otherwise,  but do you really want to make me dig up stats on 2nd-3rd round QBs who become starters and their QB ratings after 16 games?   I'd be willing to bet (too bad you don't :) ) significantly more than 50%  have a QB rating ahead of his.

If Peterson isn't built for that, then no one in the NFL is. ;D Especially small Willie Parker type backs. ;)

Childress needs to open up the playbook and get ADP the ball. Where are the screens? Where are the swing passes? This is a West Coast offense. At least he is finally calling bootlegs. Why not line AD up at WR and get him matched up against a LB. The only time we line him up at WR is on a reverse. Childress had Westbrook with the eagles and did it, but when he gets here and has ADP he suddenly forgets those plays exist. ???

How'd that work out there at the end?

While Aske makes fun of Romo he is one that comes to mind. An undrafted free agent and in 2 years won the job without starting. In his first full year took the Cowboys to the playoffs. And he was the 3rd stringer when he started with the team.

 :o  (http://www.printfection.com/homoforromo)

This is all I'm going to say on this subject.  I am surprised that this is not referenced more often in this town, or around the league:

3 years.....or........only 3 years.............either way.

Remember a guy out of the University of Central Florida?

Daunte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunte_Culpepper) was drafted in 1999.  Sat that year, and then in 2k was named the starting quarterback.  Remember what happened in 2000? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2000-01)

(Answer:  Pro Bowl/ NFC Conf. Champ. Game.  Albeit 41 donut, but that's not important right now)

I was never a Daunte fan, and like Fuzz said, they moved up a lot to grab Jackson.

(I don't feel like typing any more)

My point is a rookie QB sitting one year...vs. 3 years of give him a chance to learn it.....it's not rocket science.  After 3 years you either get it or you don't.  I haven't seen it.  FTR, Chilly has to go as well.

Preach it brother stroh. Very few QBs can come in in their rookie year and make a difference. Even Aikman went 1 - 15 in his first year. Eli? not great, Rivers? not great.

Payton Manning is an exception. Every QB should sit at least 2 seasons first and get use to the NFL game.

http://www.nfl.com/players/benroethlisberger/profile?id=ROE750381  8)

I wasn't going to bring up Big Ben. If I remember correctly SB MVP in his rookie year?

nah, not that good.  stumbled AFC title game year 1,  year 2 amazing in AFC playoffs (absolutely won the games for steelers by himself pretty much)  but very poor game in the SB (but good enough to win)

Far from it. 3 INTs and a fumble in the game that mattered most. ;)

and a W anyways
let me know when Tchoke has a super bowl ring

the really funny part of that is excluding the skill difference of the (then) #1 receiver and TE  compared to the current vikes squad,  i'd say the teams are very well matched, and in some aspects the  current vikes team is better than that steeler team.

So what's your excuse for not getting there (while playing in a much shallower conference than the 2005 AFC)?
 [sm_devil]

T.Jack was 8-4 as a first year starter last year, so then only stats mattered since he was getting the wins ... but when its the Steelers only wins matter. :P

1st year, ben 14-1 (or 13-1?)  and 98.+  passer rating.   better in both aspects.  SB win in 2nd year.   

Culpepper was a 1st round pick, T.Jack basically a 3rd. One will take more time to develop. That (shouldn't be) rocket science either.

wait a minute,  Tchoke was 8-4 in his 2nd year, not his 1st year

 [sm_oops]  Come on!  Seriously.

Bolded ...

he started 2 games in 2006, rookie year

I think most of that was Peterson and the Defense. Every year he has had more Int then TD's except his first year where he had 1 of each.

There were people down here that thought Quincy Carter was going to be the next best thing. But sometimes you have cut your losses and move on. Could he be a good QB? sure but the Vikes need a really good one right now. The Vikes should be 2-0 instead of 0-2.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7813

You can't really argue the stats

Correct, I didn't say his first starts, I said from his first year starting. As in going into the year as the starter.

Tiger Slam?

Yeah ... sounds exactly like Roethlisberger's (http://www.nfl.com/players/benroethlisberger/gamelogs?id=ROE750381&season=2004) rookie year. Only 4 games over 200 yards passing. 5 games under 20 attempts. He was in a
run heavy offense with Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley, and a good defense, he just had to manage the game and not lose it. Which he did very well.

OK so lets say you are the head coach. You are 0-2. What is your plan over the next 5 games. You play Carolina, Ten, NO, Den, and Chi. Easily 4 out of the 5 should be wins. And you can argue that you should win all 5. But devil's advocate here, what if you don't? How long do you go before pulling the plug? Or do you pull the plug? Is there a point when you say enough is enough?

Serious questions here. You could say the Vikes will win all the rest and there will be no argument. But if you were Childress you would have to face these questions and you have to have a plan. You have to consider the "what ifs". So what is your plan?

The Vikes will be lucky to go 3-2 in that stretch, and 2-3 looks far more likely.

I was just listening to my go-to afternoon radio guy and he played a clip from Chilly's press conference today.

It sure sounds like Tarvaris' leash got shortened today. The comments from the head coach weren't exactly confidence boosting for T-Jack. He'll start this week. Lay and egg and I will bet money there will be a change for week 4.

Daunte Culpepper's Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunte_Culpepper) is the worst-written Wiki page I've ever read.

I didn't know Gus Frerotte was still playing.

Punchless Vikings bench Jackson, turn to Frerotte as starter
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3593304

torpedo on suicide watch as his  tjack jersey now worthless

I'm kind of mixed on this.  I fear that Chilly folded to outside pressures.  (probably not the least of which from Zygi)  I'm not sure that what appears to be bad/inconsisstant play is all his fault.  Several other factors need to be addressed.

Gus isn't the answer.  If it were a say:  Favre, or McNabb.........Fine I'm all about it.  Even like a Derek
Anderson or a Mat Schaub..........sure.

But to say look take a seat, this guy will drive us where we need to go, while you take more time and study and get better....it ain't gonna happen with Frerrote.

He's not gonna progress anymore sitting.  He needs game time.

Like I said.  I dunno.  We'll see what happens.

Nope, but do have to update my Madden roster. ;)

This happens all the time. Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, SF, Arizona (although right now their problem is injuries), Washington, Oakland, Denver, etc... All of these teams have had a QB be named the future of the team only be be benched within a year or two.

Is Gus the answer? No. Is he a quick fix? Possibly but probably not. Should the Vikes look to pick someone up? Yes. If anything to help Jackson. If there is something in him that Childress sees then maybe he just needs a little veteran push. On the other hand Jackson may not be a top NFL QB.

It will be interesting to see what Gus does over the next 2 games.

I'm already seeing positives in this!

I'll get a reprieve from all of the ignorant rubes up here that haven't figured out how to pronounce his name after three *goshdarn* years.

No more listening to Travaris, or my favorite tra various.

Skol Vikings!

i see this move as giving the vikes an extra 2% chance of winning this week.
 ;D

LOL  That's .3 percent higher than Accuscore ran it in simulations.

LOL, based on what I've seen from them the last few years.... anytime accuscore has a game between 57-43 and closer I would bet against their 'favorite'

Chilly got some heat. Either from Zygi or the players but I don't think he made this decision by himself. And after I thought about it I don't think you can put all the blame on T-Jack. Case in point, Shiancoe catches that TD and this thread doesn't exist. There's a guy who should be outright released.

I agree with stroh. Frerotte ain't the answer and it shows how ill-prepared the Vikes were in case Jackson struggled. Which is inexcusable.

Ruh roh.  I'm sure this will move the line a little, or at give Gus a good excuse if we do lose Sunday.

Peterson with Hammy injury.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8578850/?MSNHPHMA