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How about 5 minutes of why NASCAR beats the crap out of anything else when it's GOOD:

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LOL..."discussing the weather" ;D

Minn over Green Bay should make stroh happy.

1989...lol...where is that North Wilkesboro?

And wtf is Larry McReynolds doing holding ANYONE back...lol

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LOL I didn't know they were into that sort of thing. NTTAWWT  ;D

LMAO!  I read the thread before watching the video.  Oh, that's good.  ;D


Did Dale get docked 100 points in the the points race for ".......he knocked the *feces* out of me" ?   ;D

I don't think Torp was born yet, was he?

Earnhardt still managed 10th after the spin? [sm_shock]  I didn't think that would be possible.

An oval track, yes? 


Minnesota 26 over Green Bay 7. ;D

(Fall of '89, right?)  Torpie would have been about 1.5 years old at the time. :D

That is North Wilkesboro (you can see the elevation change in the backstretch when you watch Rudds in car), and nobody got fined back when it was about The Race as opposed to The Show.

LOL at Sr: I gave him the whole bottom lane, until I figured out he was going to get around me, and then I tried to take it away...

This one happened right in front of me. 3500lbs of  car doing a 1 and a half pike 10 feet in the air from a distance of a couple of hundred feet is quite the show.

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It was actually a little scary, because Schrader didn't get out of the car for what seemed like a really, really long time.

Ohhhhhh, ouch!  Nascar vehicles really weight 3500 lbs?  They look like they'd be even lighter than that.

'Kay, so oval tracks are better.  Keeps the race tighter, that right? 

Without doing research before each race, is there any other way for someone like me to find out what type a track it is?  Any good tips or general info that could help?

And also, why are there some D tracks you would keep if you were elected "King of America"?  The prestige?  To have a little change every once-in-a-while?

high speed turns would be impossible.

You know, when I first saw this thread, I'm wondering what I could possibly need to watch.  I mean, I think you all know where I stand on drinking anyway - so one more thing to back up my position?  Ohh, nascar.  lol.  Okay, I'll watch it.

That reminds me, a little more than 3 years ago I was at a friend's open house, and my dad and I are talking to a gentleman whose friendship with my parents goes back almost 30 years.  Anyway, the discussion comes around to nascar.  This gentleman was saying how he isn't really interested in it (my dad doesn't watch nascar, I couldn't watch more than a few circles, so we're all on the same page), but a close friend of his is.  So he tunes into the race, and he usually manages to tune in when something big is happening 8), just so he and his friend can talk about it.

I thought that was pretty cool.

That's true.  They still look lighter, but looks can be deceiving.  Anwyay, thanks for pointing that out.  lol

There are some unanswered questions on page 1. :)

Which ones?  I see several.

Cars 3400# ?  Easy.

# 3 finishing 10th after spin?  Yes, if he righted the car, and cars behind him weren't on the lead lap.

No, no, not those ones.  These ones:

'Kay, so oval tracks are better.  Keeps the race tighter, that right? 

Without doing research before each race, is there any other way for someone like me to find out what type a track it is?  Any good tips or general info that could help?

And also, why are there some D tracks you would keep if you were elected "King of America"?  The prestige?  To have a little change every once-in-a-while?

Hmmm. Sorry Nat.  Over my head.  Not a great NASCAR mind.

Oh, that's okay.  Thanks anyway. 8)

1: SHORT tracks under 1 mile are better for close racing. The best track NASCAR and IRL race is Richmond, which .75 miles and D shaped.

(Having the front stretch in an arc has a simple reason: You can build the grandstand so that everybody can see the cars all the way from the exit of turn 4 to the entrance of turn 1.)

2: You can ask me, or you can go to the NASCAR website which will have a diagram of that weeks venue. This week is Phoenix, which might be the 2d best track they race at 1 mile with a dogleg on the back stretch.  Sitting on the hill above turn 4 is a party rivaled only by the legendary infield at Talladega, although much more laid back.

3: I'd keep Charlotte, which was the blueprint for all the ones that followed after it was built in 1960. I'd probably keep California, because it's actually 2 miles, although I don't think I've seen a decent race there yet.

Of course today at Texas was one for the ages, so WTF do I know...

Oh!  Short tracks, not necessarily oval.  Okay.  Are there more short oval tracks or D tracks?

Is there a typical starting time for a race or does it vary weekly?  Is there a typical number of laps for the races or does each race vary? 

Who would you say are better drivers/drivers more interesting to follow?

Will firefox ever recognize "Intimidator" or will I always have to add it to the dictionary?

All the tracks but 2 are ovals.

http://www.nascar.com/races/tracks/pir/index.html

There's a drop down menu in the upper right that will pull all the tracks up.

This week will at 12:00pm Seattle time.

How long will this race approximately take?  It would begin 10am here, and I'm not home 'til about noon.  What would be the latest I should be home to at least catch the ending?  (Oooh, and I might have plans for lunch next week, too.  Totally forgot about that.)


What defines Bristol, etc., on tv more so than Charlotte, etc?

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For me the fact that it's only .533 mile track and they get 160,000 people there, the shots from the blimp or the plane or whatever are uber cool. Also this is where "rubbin' is racin'" plays. You don't get a lot of banging on the big tracks, Bristol and Richmond, yup.

Generally the American sporting fans attention span is two to four hours, this ain't cricket.  :) NASCAR racing is no different, generally around the three to four hour mark, but these things called yellow flags slow the race down.

The modern NASCAR has become a marvel of sophisticated aerodynamics, where a wrong 1/2 a pound of air pressure (too much or too little) in one tire can ruin a day. The short tracks remind me of how it used to be in the "old" days, where these southern dudes were flying and playin' bumper cars just to deliver the next batch.

Varies, not every track is the same length, but 400-500 miles is the general, there is a 600 mile race in the summer I think it's at Charlotte? that is a brutal test to both man and machine. Now you can't have a 500 mile race on the shorter tracks, like Bristols .533 mile track, (well you could) but you'd be there all day (again the attention span), so that's usually called "The Sharpie 500 (or insert sponsor here" that means 500 laps.

Again varies, I like Jimmie Johnson 'cuz he's cute as a bug and I get lost in his dreamy brown eyes.

You'll find that NASCAR fans are THE most brand loyal people in this country, if a person likes Darrel Waltrip and Darrel Waltrip drives the "Tide" car, well dadgum it they are going to use Tide until the day they die. You can insert Dale Junior/Budweiser or Tony Stewart/Home Depot or Ricky Rudd/Snickers and the loyalty remains the same.

First thing that I noticed on the video. ;D

Yep. :)

Jimmy Johnson's eyes?

PFFFT:

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Tammy Kahne doesn't photograph well, she's WAY more smokin' than that in person.

I'm WAY more smokin' than that in person. 

LOL...

I've met her a half dozen times or so. I've never seen a picture that does her justice.

You on the other hand... ::)

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Rubbin' is racin'?  Is that where cars are constantly jockeying for a better position?  Is that synonymous with "playin' bumper cars", too?


I don't need any lessons regarding the attention spans of sports fans.  Next time I go to a sporting event, I am going to make sure that I go with someone who loves sports as much as I do.  Leaving a Twins game that's tied in the bottom of the 11th inning. ::)  That just goes against the grain. :( 

Is there an average time that each individual race takes?  Like this week's race, would it fall closer to 2 hours or 4 hours or somewhere in between?  Or does that vary, too?


How can I tell what the 500 (or any other number) means?  I mean, I know that the Indianapolis 500 is 500 miles.  However, how am I supposed to know when the Whatever 500 is referring to laps instead?

And how about the SpongeBob 500?  How come NASCAR fans take that?  Even I choked when I heard about that.


And here I thought I would get a sensible answer, and then I get a reply saying Johnson has dreamy eyes.... *shaking head*

Brand loyal, I can understand that.  When I actually find shoes that fit my little feet, that's the brand for me.  Okay, so tell me this.  I like Chevy, Adidas, Menards & Sears, Relic & Fossil, Winchester & Colt.  I could probably think of some more, if you need me to.

As far as drivers go, I don't care what they look like.  Whose character shines when he talks to the press?  Interesting to listen to?  Etc....

What are the Top 10 most interesting races?  And when are they?

Here's my 10 most interesting, in no particular order and not NASCAR specific:

1) The Daytona 500
    It really is the Super Bowl, and has supplanted Indianapolis as the premier American motorsports event.

2) The Indianapolis 500.
    It's still Indy, and no other event in the world can claim the history.

3) The Brickyard 400
    NASCAR at Indy, and now the venues premier event by any yardstick.

4) The Knoxville Nationals
    Usually about 150 guys from as far away as South Africa show up to race winged sprint cars in the middle of an Iowa cornfield for 5 days, and it'll draw 50,000 fans a night for all 5 nights in a form of motorsport where 5 to 10 thousand usually constitutes a 'Huge' crowd.

5) Bristol
    Anything racing at Bristol is fun, and I think we'll see USAC cars there in the very, very near future.

6) Monaco GP
    Something about the very best in the world on public streets in one of the most beautiful places in the world is very cool, even if the actual racing usually leaves a little to be desired.

7) The Chili Bowl.
    200 midgets show up in Tulsa in the dead of winter for 5 nights of racing, and everybody from NHRA drag racers  to Brazilian road racers show up to drive. They race 'em indoors on an 1/8 mile track, and gas masks are  recommended. The last 5 winners come from 3 different series, and the 2005 winner had never driven an open wheel car before.

8) Dirt Cup at Skagit Speedway.
    This is one of the largest pursed, non sanctioned races in the country, and usually draws all the best from the West Coast and quite a few gunslingers from the midwest as well. Kasey Kahne won this event for the 2d time in 2004, and it was one of the most incredible 40 lap performances I've ever seen (I was also sitting right in front of the aforementioned Tammy)

9) Any NHRA Friday night qualifying race.
    I don't drag race much, but 10,000 horsepower shooting flames 40 feet in the air at night and going 300 miles an hour in the space of a couple of blocks is about as cool as it gets.

10) (Seriously) Whatever's running close by that doesn't have fenders on it on payday.

Okay, I really am unknowledgeable in this sport, even about the basics.  Please keep explaining it as you are though, 'cause the more I have to ask questions about, the more I'll learn. 

"Having fenders on it on payday", that's a phrase I'm not familiar with.  What does it mean?

What cars are currently being raced at Bristol?

USAC: United States Automobile Club.  What defines a USAC car?  Are USAC events separate from NASCAR?

11.  *8==>* Trickle

Depends

And here I thought I would get a sensible answer, and then I get a reply saying Johnson has dreamy eyes.... *shaking head*

Brand loyal, I can understand that.  When I actually find shoes that fit my little feet, that's the brand for me.  Okay, so tell me this.  I like Chevy, Adidas, Menards & Sears, Relic & Fossil, Winchester & Colt.  I could probably think of some more, if you need me to.

As far as drivers go, I don't care what they look like.  Whose character shines when he talks to the press?  Interesting to listen to?  Etc....
[/quote]I'll try and give you a sensible answer. Most people I know pick a driver either by the way they drive or by the brand. As far as they way they conduct themselves that will usually turn people off of them (examples would be Gordon, Busch bothers, and the late Dale E.) On the other hand some people love those kind of people. Best advice I can give you is watch a couple races, listen to some interviews and you will find a driver to cheer for. Mine is Raines driving the 96 car (only reason is my company is sponsoring him). My wife likes Jimmy Johnson but does not like Gordon. My sons like Johnson, Tony Stewart. A safe bet would be Dale Jr. but again you just need to watch and pick who you like.

Anyone can recommend a driver to you but only you can pick one you like.

NASCAR driver by day, pron star by night.

Raced hard, drank harder, and won over 1000 features with a cigarette lighter wired in every car he raced for 4 decades and ends up best remembered as  a punch line for Olbermann on Sportscenter.

Richard Trickle in a bobsled last winter, at the age of 65:

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And in one of the beer wagons he made famous on the upper midwest shortracks racing in the old ASA:

No offense intended.  I grew up watching him race. (on tv)

Impressive bio.

LOL, no offense taken, and none by him either. There are alot of really good *8==>* Trickle stories out there.

Classic *8==>* Trickle:

He got fined once by NASCAR for lighting up with the in car camera on national TV. Friggin' hilarious: 'Here's D!ck Trickle's in car', and there he was lighting a Marlboro.

Different world back then: The late, great JD McDuffie usually had a cigar going...

A Bodine sled?

Okay, that's better. :D

You can count on me doing my own choosing, just was wondering if you thought there would be any that I would find more interesting than others (based on the brands I listed or character).

Anyway, now, how 'bout answering those other questions?

But of course!

They get a bunch of drivers to run at Lake Placid every year and raise money for the bobsled team, and televise the whole thing on Speed. The 'necks love it... ;D

EAGLE, don't worry about the number of laps, miles, etc. All that counts is laps.

There's usually a graphic on the screen, and even at the track there's a board, pole or announcer to tell how many to the finish.

I remember the Spongebob 500 very well.  ::)

*EDIT* Here is the Morgan Shepherd "Race with Faith" link link http://www.morganshepherd.com/index.php

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Best image I could find right now, there is a cross with the word Jesus on the hood.

Menards has a car driven by Paul Menard #15 bright yellow you can't miss it. A lot of the cars are Chevy's check the link I sent for the NASCAR homepage, it lists drivers, sponsors, car makes etc.

Here...in this forum...you thought you would get a sensible answer...ooooooo kkkkkkkkkaaaayyyyyyy.  :)

More like bumper cars but not really, Bristol and Richmond are such short tracks and you've got 43 cars jockeying for position, bumping is bound to happen, with short track racing the aerodynamics is not so critical as with a 2 1/2 mile super speedway. PS. that number (43 cars) is always the same whether they race on a 1/2 mile track or the 2 1/2 mile super speedways,actually isn't Pocono 2.66 miles around?

I think everywhere except Richmond and Bristol the number refers to miles of the race.

Like anything else nowadays it's all about the money, it costs a ton of dough to bring these guys to town, but the town can make a lot of dough also, so whoever ponies up the lions share of the cash gets to be the title sponsor, the naming can get pretty silly sometimes.  :P

The simple answer is no, I can't tell you how many times I've missed the endings to races because I set the recorder to end when it was supposed to.  [sm_devil]

I think that's all basic NASCAR 101, next class, NASCAR History..we'll talk about "The King", The Alabama Gang, and "Awesome Bill from Dawsonville".

Oh, I wasn't worrying.  Merely curious. ;D

Yeah, I've seen the little box on the tv screen.  That usually tells me that I'm watching at the wrong time. :D

Shepherd does look like he might be interesting to follow. :)


lol. :D

NASCAR fans are so serious and die-hard about everything related to NASCAR that I thought you would actually be serious as to which drivers you like to follow.  That's a logical train of thought, wouldn't you say so? 

;)


You don't really expect me to know that answer to that question, do you?  How am I supposed to know?  NASCAR website says 2.5, otherwise, I don't know. 

How come 43 cars? 


Okie-dokie!


Friend: So what are you doing? 
You:    I'm watching the SpongeBob 500.
Friend: Is that a new movie for kids?  Why in the world are you watching that? 
You:    Uh, it's NASCAR.
Friend: Your "sport" is in trouble.
You:    It's all about the money...
Friend: And that's supposed to persuade me to watch it? Uh, yeah right.

;) :D


*giggle*  :D

I was just trying to figure in if I would be able to make the end of this week's race at all.  That's also assuming Torp will let me have the television....


Okay, start typing. ;D

I don't think Dale Earnhardt's uncle Morgan has raced a Cup race since last year, although I see where he's going to try to qualify for Saturday's Busch (think AAA baseball) but the car has a 3 digit number, never a good sign. He sold his team last year and is working for Bill Davis or somebody like that.

You have to know 1st Corinthian 9:24 and take it pretty seriously to work at Michael Waltrip Racing, and if you look  at any of David Reutimanns cars, there's a cross on there somewhere.

I seem to recall hearing that Carl Edwards is pretty serious about his faith, but then again he was dating well known pit lizard Amanda Beard so I'm not too sure how much of that is marketing, or maybe that's why she stopped dating him, LOL...

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(Do I really need to define what a pit lizard is?)

Menard's a good pick, and has reduced his tendency to run into *feces* without warning over the last couple of years, but he's still a guy with more money than talent, NTTAWWT...

That's a great question, I have no answer, FAWGIE?
Not followin' so I'm gonna take a pass.  ;) ;D

I'm more old school, I miss the Cale Yarbrough's and the David Pearson's of the sport and the Bobby and Donnie Allisons, the guys back then were characters, imho the new guys seem almost cut out of the same cloth, wallstreet looking, clean cut, driving suits pressed and clean, something was lost when the corporations took over, but I think for them something better was gained, nascar's popularity (up until just the last couple of years) has taken off like a rocket, at one time recently iirc it was the number one spectator sport in America, and the drivers got rich, kind of like golf in that a driver could not win a race all year and still make a million dollars, I don't have a problem with that, and it's not going to stop me from watching, but follow any of the "new" guys, not really, when dale Sr. died at Daytona we lost John Wayne and no one has stepped up to fill his cowboy boots, humbly submitted.

I miss guys like these two, this is from the very first NASCAR race shown on TV in it's entirety (right MFAWG?), make sure you watch the last 20 seconds  [sm_shock]
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The first question is...serioulsy?
The second question is...seriously?

1st race shown live in it's entirety on a national network. There used to be some tape delayed and/or partial coverage on ABC Wide World Of Sports and CBS.

I have no idea why it's 43, either. I know they ran as many as 60 some at 'Dega and Daytona in the 60's.

RE Michael Waltrip Racing: Yes, seriously.

Tony Stewart is about as old school as it gets. 'Course Tony could quit tomorrow and go race something else with a pretty minimal income drop, so that helps.

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I'll admit the hum of the engines roar around the track with beer is quite intoxicating.  I'll find myself staring at a few laps before I realize what I'm doing and change it back to football or something. 

What about these questions?

I'm gonna take a guess and say that you aren't really looking for me to quote I Corinthians 9:24. :D


I didn't need an accompanying pic to figure out the connotation of that term.


So do you have any other suggestions?

:D


You think I'm gonna let you take the lead that easily? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/Minnesnowta_Girl/Smileys/zoomzoom.gif) Sorry, your attempt has just been cut off. :P :D


I don't know who most of those guys are.  When are you gonna start the history lessons?

[sm_shock] Uh-oh! 

I figure you already knew it:

24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?
Run in such a way as to get the prize.

Darn skippy!

Plenty of room for 60 plus cars on anything over a mile or mile and a half, no problem there. Regularly watch 20-25 cars on a quarter mile.

Generally, I've got an eye on Tony Stewart, Kasey Kahne and Bobby Labonte. I expect big things out of Montoya, but maybe not for a year.

I do know it.  I also like to think on Hebrews 12:1-2 when I think on I Cor 9:24.  I was just guessing that you didn't want me to quote it for you.


Is this regarding Bristol?  In my question I was wondering what cars are driven there since USAC cars haven't yet made an appearance.

And what is a USAC car?


Okie-dokie.


I still don't know what "having fenders on it on payday" means.

Not "have fenders on it on payday"

It means he's a fan of "open wheeled racing".  Sprint, etc.

Smaller venues, truer, grittier, Joe Torque-Wrench, type racin'.  So when You get off work on Friday "payday" , you head to the track, and have some fun.

The opposite of "not have" is "to have". :D

Oh, okay!  Now I understand! :) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/Minnesnowta_Girl/Smileys/lightbulb.gif) 8)

Little video mix of 2007 Dirt Cup.

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We sit between 3 and 4 and are generally covered with dust by the time it's all over.

Skagit's the best because this place is a mile or so down the road

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Are that many roll-overs typical? 

Nice looking golf course. 8)

It's a terrific golf course. The only issue is parts of it (notably the North Course) don't drain terribly well, so early spring golf can be iffy. The greens weren't very good last time I played it (August), which was really unusual, so I'll chalk it up as just one of those things.

I've seen everything from nobody upside down to seems like somebody upside down in every race (min. 8 heats, 3 mains) so it's kind of hard to quantify 'typical'.

You can ask Kev all about courses with sub-par drainage.  Like hole 2 at an Oakdale course, right Kev?  :D

I would suppose that would be one of the aspects that makes racing interesting? 

That's why they run the race, to see what's going to happen... ;D

You mean they shouldn't just simulate each race? [sm_shock] :D