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Title: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 11:11:53 AM
http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1?ie=UTF8&node=342335011&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA

Absolutely did not see this coming at any time, from anybody, for any price.

Have to mull this one over and decide if I think it's the greatest thing since fish fingers and beans or is it monumentally stupid.   ??? ??? ???

First crack at it screams latency problems R us.  Can't imagine trying to run a DB connection across a WAN of any sort.  I live and breath webservices on a daily basis and while I'm a huge proponent you simply have to build in a bevy of failure mechanisms and essentially NEVER count on them for critical data needs.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 11:20:02 AM
the pricing seems ridiculous as well


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Fuzzy on December 14, 2007, 11:23:50 AM
May I mambo dogface in the banana patch?


You guys make this *feces* up don't you?  ;)  And don't think I'll ever let you try to run your DB across my WAN.




Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: gleek on December 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1?ie=UTF8&node=342335011&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA

Absolutely did not see this coming at any time, from anybody, for any price.

Have to mull this one over and decide if I think it's the greatest thing since fish fingers and beans or is it monumentally stupid.   ??? ??? ???

First crack at it screams latency problems R us.  Can't imagine trying to run a DB connection across a WAN of any sort.  I live and breath webservices on a daily basis and while I'm a huge proponent you simply have to build in a bevy of failure mechanisms and essentially NEVER count on them for critical data needs.

I would think Amazon's infrastructure is robust enough that the biggest potential issue would be the connections from the clients' side--not from their end.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: spacey on December 14, 2007, 11:36:50 AM
Since I don't entirely understand it, and can't see a personal application for it, I'll declare it monumentally stupid. It's what Utards do.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: stroh on December 14, 2007, 11:47:59 AM
Since I don't entirely understand it, and can't see a personal application for it, I'll declare it monumentally stupid. It's what Utards do.

Good.  Saved me a click.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Clive on December 14, 2007, 11:58:50 AM
May I mambo dogface in the banana patch?
You should probably buy him dinner first.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Walfredo on December 14, 2007, 12:06:33 PM
I work with DBs everyday and somewhat understand what that is trying to accomplish, but I couldn't give two *feces*s.  I work in whatever DBs my company makes available and learn how to use them.  I have no power to suggest other avenues and am entirely at the mercy of IT and Data Warehouse. 


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 12:15:46 PM

I would think Amazon's infrastructure is robust enough that the biggest potential issue would be the connections from the clients' side--not from their end.

Yes, of course.  In days when guys like me are jonesing after fiber behind the firewall in the never-ending battle to minimize bottlenecks I can't imagine going out over the net for anything but periodic or batch data needs (i.e. B2B- and EDI-type stuff

Still, I can't see them doing it if there wasn't a market.

Strike that.  Forgot about Kindle.   ;)


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: dystopia on December 14, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
Seems like a natural complement to EC2 for me.  Just a simpler DB for those who don't want to run a database within EC2. 

I think the target customer is someone who already has their middle tier on one of Amazon's virtual servers (or is planning to) and doesn't want to deal with managing a database.  I doubt someone would use this database and host their web server somewhere else for the latency issues mentioned.

I've been looking at EC2 for hosting one of my projects which could have sporadic bandwidth spikes which I'd rather have someone else deal with (since my focus is on development not infrastructure)


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 03:55:09 PM
Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: dystopia on December 14, 2007, 04:07:56 PM
Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?

J2EE compliant?  I was under the impression it was just a virtual server and not java-centric.

http://searchcorp.biz/amazon-ec2-and-what-it-means-for-entrepreneurs-and-startups/

(I love the idea of just paying for puny usage, but if one of my sites gets dugg or slashdotted, it can handle the load, and I'll pay for the rampup as needed)




Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:16:28 PM
Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?

J2EE compliant?  I was under the impression it was just a virtual server and not java-centric.

http://searchcorp.biz/amazon-ec2-and-what-it-means-for-entrepreneurs-and-startups/

(I love the idea of just paying for puny usage, but if one of my sites gets dugg or slashdotted, it can handle the load, and I'll pay for the rampup as needed)


Been researching further now and looks like the following environments are supported:

PHP
C#
Java
Perl
VB.NET

Interesting.  Now that my head's on straight about this I'm going to have a good look.  I have a pet project I've been wanting to do for almost ten years.  This might be a perfect fit.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 04:18:16 PM
c#, yumyum


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:20:09 PM
c#, yumyum


[sm_shock]


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 04:21:32 PM

what's wrong widdat?


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:25:26 PM
Tastes like Redmond.

And Doug...
...sharpish.
I don't want a fuss or to put a bullet in your face...
...but unless you give me what I want there will be *goshdarn* murders.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 04:29:16 PM
LOL.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: dystopia on December 14, 2007, 04:30:37 PM
Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?

J2EE compliant?  I was under the impression it was just a virtual server and not java-centric.

http://searchcorp.biz/amazon-ec2-and-what-it-means-for-entrepreneurs-and-startups/

(I love the idea of just paying for puny usage, but if one of my sites gets dugg or slashdotted, it can handle the load, and I'll pay for the rampup as needed)


Been researching further now and looks like the following environments are supported:

PHP
C#
Java
Perl
VB.NET

Interesting.  Now that my head's on straight about this I'm going to have a good look.  I have a pet project I've been wanting to do for almost ten years.  This might be a perfect fit.

Cool.  Let me know if you need any beta testers.

EC2 seems to be very popular on some of the startup sites I frequent.  Everyone seems to be short on cash for bigtime hosting, but want something in place to scale when the time comes.  I've read about some teams with no office/servers at all, they just jump between coffee shops and use virtual dev and prod EC2 servers.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:31:19 PM
I wish ObjC would make it beyond Next/Apple.  Was an Ada, C and C+ programmer in the Air Force.  Was a Smalltalk programmer for about three years just out of the Air Force.  ObjC brings together the best of all those while leaving the worst of all those behind. 


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:34:30 PM

Cool.  Let me know if you need any beta testers.

EC2 seems to be very popular on some of the startup sites I frequent.  Everyone seems to be short on cash for bigtime hosting, but want something in place to scale when the time comes.  I've read about some teams with no office/servers at all, they just jump between coffee shops and use virtual dev and prod EC2 servers.

That would be about how I'd like to operate.  Although I wouldn't work from coffee shops I'd remain 100% anonymous.  Of course, if you want to deploy a no support / no phone number / no email addy product you pretty much have to give it away and maybe someday get rich off advertising and/or buy-out.   ;D


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 04:44:35 PM
death to :

do loops
pointers
global variables
static array sizes



hate !
 


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: hobbit on December 14, 2007, 04:47:33 PM
Fuggin coders


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 04:50:15 PM
death to :

do loops
pointers
global variables
static array sizes



hate !
 


Whippersnapper. 


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Aske on December 14, 2007, 04:52:45 PM
death to :

do loops
pointers
global variables
static array sizes



hate !
 


Whippersnapper. 

Old Fogey!


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 05:02:30 PM

Old Fogey!


Yeah, pretty much.  Although I never had to actually work under these conditions I did become familiar with these yokes in tech school.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg/800px-FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg)

Nothing like learning the term "floor sort" the hard way.   :sad3:


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: stroh on December 14, 2007, 05:08:59 PM

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Used without permission.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: hobbit on December 14, 2007, 05:11:40 PM
Nothing like learning the term "floor sort" the hard way.   :sad3:

Yeah - and to think that I thought entering machine code using a hex keypad was a beotch for my college project.  Guess I had it good  :sad3:



Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: spacey on December 14, 2007, 05:33:01 PM
I have absolutely no idea what's going on. Brilliant.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Torpedo on December 14, 2007, 06:06:45 PM

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Used without permission.

Correction. (http://www.golfhos.com/forum/index.php/topic,4165.msg52028.html#msg52028) ;) ;D


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: stroh on December 14, 2007, 06:39:03 PM
 ;D ;)  noted.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Clive on December 14, 2007, 07:14:59 PM
Just from reading this thread, my face is breaking out, I'm getting near-sighted, and my virginity is coming back.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 14, 2007, 07:40:03 PM
Just from reading this thread, my face is breaking out, I'm getting near-sighted, and my virginity is coming back.

That sucks.  Odds are 5-1 nobody takes pity on you this time around.


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: stroh on December 15, 2007, 07:20:40 AM
Just from reading this thread, my face is breaking out, I'm getting near-sighted, and my virginity is coming back.

That sucks.  Odds are 5-1 nobody takes pity on you this time around.

Meh.  With todays technology, I'm just sayin':  Women; Can't live with 'em.  Where's my fleshlight?


Title: Re: DB Geeks - Eyes Only
Post by: Uisce Beatha on December 21, 2007, 07:56:49 AM
http://snarfed.org/space/amazon+simpledb+thoughts