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Title: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 14, 2009, 07:39:03 PM
So you scoot on up an on-ramp to a freeway with a lane closure about 1/2 mile ahead [* spacey].  Traffic in the three lanes to the left is in first gear.  You have enough room in front of you to land Air Force One.  What do you do?

1.  Slow to a crawl within 50 yards, throw on the turn signal and needlessly squeeze behind 100 cars for the greater good of mankind.  A right Mother Teresa of the Autobhan.

2.  Creep about halfway down at moderate speed looking for the first two car length cap and gently ease yourself over.  Apologetic wave to the guy who let you in.

3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I hope some of you vote #3 so I don't feel so alone.  I can't fathom the logic that dictates one should not make the most of all available space before merging.  It's asinine really.  Not to mention the *bunghole*s who flip you off, crowd you out, etc. because their being on the freeway longer than you apparently grants them priority status. 

Just messin' about doing so aggressively but quite serious about making the most of what UDOT gives me.





* Beck Street to I-15 NB.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: birdymaker on May 14, 2009, 08:07:21 PM
In the D you can get shot for that. really.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Fuzzy on May 14, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
MNDOT has been trying to get the word out for the past couple of years to use both lanes and "zipper" at the merge point. Basically everybody on the right let one in on the left. Or vice versa whatever the case may be.

Had a couple nasty construction sites last summer where the highway patrol had to play nanny due to some near riots.

Basically what MNDOT and the patrol say is what your #3 says. Sans the balls to the way, alpha dog Tokyo drifting.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: spacey on May 14, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
I'm all about option #3. However, I've long maintained that Utah ought to change their license plate slogan to "I'd rather die than merge behind you" so use caution and/or your best judgment.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Aske on May 14, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
WWTMTCD


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 15, 2009, 05:34:44 AM
In the D you can get shot for that. really.

LMAO, so that's what happened to Santa.

I'm never going to Detroit.  You have me proper scared of the place.   ;)


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: MFAWG on May 15, 2009, 07:06:31 AM
Put me down as Numbah Two, with this caveat:

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3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I don't know who this guy will merge behind, but I do know who he doesn't merge in front of, complete with appropriate hand signals and the devil may care attitude of a guy driving a piece of 22 year old Detroit iron.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Walfredo on May 15, 2009, 07:35:07 AM
Put me down as Numbah Two, with this caveat:

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3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I don't know who this guy will merge behind, but I do know who he doesn't merge in front of, complete with appropriate hand signals and the devil may care attitude of a guy driving a piece of 22 year old Detroit iron.
x2


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Spartan on May 15, 2009, 07:59:04 AM
Put me down as Numbah Two, with this caveat:

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3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I don't know who this guy will merge behind, but I do know who he doesn't merge in front of, complete with appropriate hand signals and the devil may care attitude of a guy driving a piece of 22 year old Detroit iron.

Same here.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Gamma Pi on May 15, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
Put me down as Numbah Two, with this caveat:

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3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I don't know who this guy will merge behind, but I do know who he doesn't merge in front of, complete with appropriate hand signals and the devil may care attitude of a guy driving a piece of 22 year old Detroit iron.

Same here.
x3 with enthusiasm.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Dunk on May 15, 2009, 04:47:52 PM
Put me down as Numbah Two, with this caveat:

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3.  Balls to the wall to the top of the lane, wasting no more than 20 feet of asphalt, and Tokyo drift into your rightful spot as alpha dog of the rush hour pack.

I don't know who this guy will merge behind, but I do know who he doesn't merge in front of, complete with appropriate hand signals and the devil may care attitude of a guy driving a piece of 22 year old Detroit iron.

Same here.
x3 with enthusiasm.
[sm_thumbsup2]


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 15, 2009, 05:53:36 PM
I know y'all read my "just messin' about doing so aggressively" comment but in case the recent sentiment is meant to apply to someone using the full length of that lane responsibly and safely.


:)


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: MFAWG on May 15, 2009, 09:09:40 PM
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Cuz that lane's meant to be empty?
\

Yup. That's why there were all those  *goshdarn* signs starting 5 miles ago, then every half mile until you got to that last 100 yards and figgered out that they actually meant the lane was closed for everyone INCLUDING YOU!

So, everyone read the signs, moved over EXCEPT YOU, so now you just need to wait until somebody feels sorry enough for you to let you in.

I wasn't kidding about the vintage ALL STEEL Detroit iron, either.

It basically screams 'Hit Me With Your Colored Plastic Bumper That's Just A Little Bit More Than Your Insurance Deductible To Repaint, Moran!'



Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Aske on May 15, 2009, 10:18:05 PM
man up , nantzies.



Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 16, 2009, 05:09:05 AM
I believe I understand this Donning of American Steel Pen0r Extending Phenomenon...

BEFORE


AFTER




Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: MFAWG on May 16, 2009, 07:36:37 AM
(http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/motivation/honda.jpg)


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 16, 2009, 07:57:40 AM
True dat.  Front wheel drive and all.   :P

Also unlike that car much of the color has come off my plastic front bumper.   :sad3:


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: MFAWG on May 16, 2009, 08:00:54 AM
True dat.  Front wheel drive and all.   :P

Also unlike that car much of the color has come off my plastic front bumper.   :sad3:

I'll bet it was US built... :sad3:


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 16, 2009, 08:18:28 AM
Yep, I think it was.  And the 1990 S-10 I used to own was Brazilian built.  Port of entry Shreveport, LA.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: stroh on May 16, 2009, 08:33:17 AM
On topic:

A.   [sm_anon]

Life's too short to fight with people about that stuff.  I don't like it when people do it to me so I don't do it to other people.  The six seconds it either saves me or costs me just isn't that big a deal to me.

Having said that, I should draw a distinction;  The op says on ramp with construction, in that scenario, I would use the lane, and attempt to merge(like everyone else should) the way Fuzz describes in a zipper, every other car dealie.

My post is in reflection to many areas here, where the right lane is coming to an end.  I know it, you know it, everyone knows it, but there are plenty of jackasses who invariably pretend they either don't, or they are too important to merge early.

On those roads, I do as above.  Option A.

I guess I end up being walked on in life more often than not.  Whatever.  Peace.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Fuzzy on May 16, 2009, 09:02:24 AM
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/newsrels/03/10/29merge.html

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ST. PAUL, Minn. — Fifteen percent of drivers admitted to straddling lanes in order to block late merges in construction zones, according to a recent study conducted by the Minnesota Department of Transportation.

To address the more than 2,700 crashes and 18 fatalities occurring in highway construction zones last year, Mn/DOT commissioned a study to better understand the behaviors and attitudes that trigger driving decisions in merging situations as drivers enter a work zone.

"Our goal is to increase safety in work zones by reducing the confusion and frustration drivers often experience when merging," said William Servatius, Mn/DOT's Office of Construction. "Many times crashes occur due to aggressive driving, abrupt lane changes or sudden stops, so we want to help drivers make good choices while traveling through our work zones."

In an attempt to minimize the problems discovered in the research, Mn/DOT also conducted a month-long field study on Highway 10 in Anoka to assess a new Dynamic Late Merge System, a traffic control strategy to improve merging at lane closures.

"The fully automated system using remote traffic microwave sensors and a Doppler radar provides instructions to drivers via changeable message signs on when to merge and how to merge according to the current state of traffic," said Craig Mittelstadt, Mn/DOT's workzone safety specialist. "For example, if traffic is heavy, the system will instruct motorists to use both lanes and take turns once they've reached the defined merge point just before the lane closure."

This strategy often referred to as the "zipper" improves traffic flow, reduces conflicts and hopefully will decrease the number of crashes when traffic demand exceeds the capacity of a single lane closure.

"Basically, we want drivers to know that under normal traffic speeds, they should try to merge early to avoid unsafe merging maneuvers; however, when traffic is congested, drivers should use both lanes all the way to the definite merge point," said Servatius.

"We can't completely rid the roads from congestion in a workzone, but data from the study revealed this method shortened queue lengths by 35 percent and reduced lane changing conflicts," said Mittelstadt. "We also hope for a decline in crashes and aggressive driving behavior."


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Uisce Beatha on May 16, 2009, 09:09:13 AM
stroh, I won't fight about it either. (Well, maybe MFAWG  [sm_devil])

Forget the on-ramp for a minute.  Let's have four lanes on the freeway.  Signs say lane #1 is closing down the way.  Why not keep that lane full and zipper lanes #1 and #2 at the spot where they actually merge?  I don't get the arbitrary rule which says a driver in lane #1 has to say "oh, my lane is ending about ${5000/2000/1000/500/50} yards ahead so I need to merge right now."  We don't hold drivers to the same standard if lane #1 is actually going away and the freeway narrowing to three lanes permanently.  It's only for construction merges that we (y'all) have this rule. 

I hold doors, help old people, refrain from kicking cats even though they need kicking, put my shopping cart away, change to the inside lane so the guy turning right can get out of the side street, never walk on stroh in life, etc.  I just don't see this one as "jackasses who invariably pretend they either don't, or they are too important to merge early."  I see it as a common sense approach and I wish everyone would do it / allow it to be done.

(http://rlv.zcache.com/merge_t_shirt-p235189465693705688q6vb_400.jpg)


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: stroh on May 16, 2009, 09:30:01 AM

Forget the on-ramp for a minute.  Let's have four lanes on the freeway.  Signs say lane #1 is closing down the way.  Why not keep that lane full and zipper lanes #1 and #2 at the spot where they actually merge?  I don't get the arbitrary rule which says a driver in lane #1 has to say "oh, my lane is ending about ${5000/2000/1000/500/50} yards ahead so I need to merge right now."  We don't hold drivers to the same standard if lane #1 is actually going away and the freeway narrowing to three lanes permanently.  It's only for construction merges that we (y'all) have this rule. 

Fair enough, I guess I see it (well, other than an unfixable problem) as causing a problem and not solving one.  Let's say that in your scenario that at 2 miles away from lane 1 waning, we are traveling at a comfortable 40 MPH.  Lane 1 occupants start merging with lane 2, at at 1 end point we are all still traveling at 40 mph.  Utopian?  Probably.


In the zipper scenario, at end point, now both lanes 1 and 2 are traveling at zero to allow for synchronized swimming maneuver and hand gesturing.




I hold doors, help old people, refrain from kicking cats even though they need kicking, put my shopping cart away, change to the inside lane so the guy turning right can get out of the side street, never walk on stroh in life, etc.  I just don't see this one as "jackasses who invariably pretend they either don't, or they are too important to merge early."  I see it as a common sense approach and I wish everyone would do it / allow it to be done.


 ;D  Grazi. 

I'm glad there is at least one other dude out there that puts his cart in the thingy.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.  :sad3: What you see as an empty unused road, I see as people being stubbornly opportunistic to "get in front of" all of us saps who travel this road every day, knowing that the lane ends right after the light, because they are obviously more important or at least smarter and more Darwinianly advanced than those of us who have respect for the cars that did the right thing, got in the lane that's not ending and waited our turn to advance, and drive home to get on with the rest of our lives.


I'm certainly not implying that you're not respectful.  :)



Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Fuzzy on May 16, 2009, 10:10:47 AM

Forget the on-ramp for a minute.  Let's have four lanes on the freeway.  Signs say lane #1 is closing down the way.  Why not keep that lane full and zipper lanes #1 and #2 at the spot where they actually merge?  I don't get the arbitrary rule which says a driver in lane #1 has to say "oh, my lane is ending about ${5000/2000/1000/500/50} yards ahead so I need to merge right now."  We don't hold drivers to the same standard if lane #1 is actually going away and the freeway narrowing to three lanes permanently.  It's only for construction merges that we (y'all) have this rule. 

Fair enough, I guess I see it (well, other than an unfixable problem) as causing a problem and not solving one.  Let's say that in your scenario that at 2 miles away from lane 1 waning, we are traveling at a comfortable 40 MPH.  Lane 1 occupants start merging with lane 2, at at 1 end point we are all still traveling at 40 mph.  Utopian?  Probably.


In the zipper scenario, at end point, now both lanes 1 and 2 are traveling at zero to allow for synchronized swimming maneuver and hand gesturing.




I'd suggest this isn't usually the case. If you need to get to zero to put 2 lanes into 1 it is going to happen somewhere. Either at the merge or 5 miles before the merge.

I think the section from MNDOT I posted makes a lot of sense. The problem is who defines "congested"?

And now with all this talk of zippers I just remembered I need to go put my pants on.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Walfredo on May 16, 2009, 01:12:46 PM
Accordian Effect FTW


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: Clive on May 19, 2009, 08:05:18 PM
Put me down for about 2.5.  Go down that good lane, but definitely merge before the paint squeezes the lane away.  And with my usual benevolent love for all God's creatures.  Even the stupid ones.


Title: Re: Construction Merge
Post by: hobbit on May 20, 2009, 09:08:47 AM
Put me down for about 2.5.  Go down that good lane, but definitely merge before the paint squeezes the lane away.  And with my usual benevolent love for self testicular exams and all God's creatures.  Even the stupid ones.


fixed.