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Not seeing that as even a remotely unsubstantiated rumor at any of my usual  :airquotes: sources :airquotes: .   ;)

There's a nice fit with Flash on the iPhone.  That's not going to happen (strike that, probably not going to happen for quite a while) with Adobe doing the development.  Other than that I can't see why Apple would be interested. 

I think Apple is very aware of what they do well and that's not be all things to all people.  Here's a good read - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8428 - if only for the chuckle at the recommendations which are made and the situation which even makes people think that way.  I think nobody, never mind Apple, wants to model themselves on the cluster*fudge* that is Microsoft.

LMAO Bull*feces*. If companies knew they could achieve the same kind of dominant position that Microsoft has, they'd follow the same blueprint. The only reason companies don't is because they know they'll get crushed.

LMAO Read the *goshdarn* post.  I said nothing about not wanted Microsoft's dominant position in the OS market which eventually *nix (including Apple) will take.  Microsoft's dominant position is going to completely erode over the next ten years because of their disastrous blueprint.  A main reason Apple doesn't follow that blueprint is because they would lose control of the situation.  They will never, ever, license the OS while Jobs or like thinkers are in charge.  If they do, they mire in a morass of hardware/peripheral/driver support forever.

Compare the MP3 (term used loosely) market and the OS market and how the two companies have positioned themselves.  If you can't see the differences...  [sm_dontknow]

i just dont want to have to download itunes+quicktime to watch a 30 second clip on youtube  when flash v12.3 come out .
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How about Safari?   ;)

Non neccesito.
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I read your post, and it's typical Apple evangelism. My point was that if the "blueprint", even with whatever flaws that you think it has, is likely to achieve a dominant position in the market EVERY company, including Apple, would follow it. The problem is that there's no guarantee that anybody could pull it off, especially with Microsoft still around.

Your responses are typical MS short-sightedness.  I remember Big Blue guys saying the same sort of things in the 80s when a lean and hungry Microsoft was on the rise. 

Microsoft is a victim of earlier decisions.  Those decisions got them where they are today, no doubt about it, but in addition to really understanding a need and filling it they also benefited due to the competition being weak and/or not REALLY believing in the desktop and a decentralized computing world.  That's not the case today.  Microsoft is up to their ears in competition yet they're handcuffed by having to support a decade or two worth of applications, drivers, externals, etc.  They can't cut bait like Apple did after the Scully years.  Apple was small enough and their users were more devotees than consumers.  They were able to get away with it and start 100% from scratch.  Vista I guess was meant to be something along those lines but it is a poor imitation of such thinking.  Microsoft is stuck.  They haven't really innovated in years and they're being saved by legacy applications and the dependence of the enterprise.

It'll change.  You want to say I'm an Apple evangelist.  That's fine.  I am.  Doesn't mean I think Apple will rise to 50% of the OS market share.  Nowhere near it.  I do believe *nix will though, and beyond, and I'm lumping Apple in there.  You can see it already on campuses in a big way and the enterprise is right behind them.  We have 60 developers and 25 assorted others at my company.  Ubuntu, CentOS and Mac probably make up 80% of the dev machines.  Redhat and Solaris make up 100% of our staging and production machines (edit: I have to toss a bone to the wonderfulness which are our Exchange servers.)  The 25 assorted others are still on Windows for the most part.  I give that 2-3 years.

Microsoft needs to reinvent itself.  I haven't seen any indication that's going to happen.  And I don't see Apple or anyone else saying, "yeah, that's the ticket."  They want the revenues and success, certainly, but they're not going to follow the Microsoft route to get it. 

is *that other place* running on a windows box
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I installed Safari 3.1 on Windows, it worked fine ... until you tried to load a page, then every time as soon as it was 60% loaded it would crash. lol And Firefox 3 Beta 5 blows it out of the water in terms of speed. 8)

torpedo, isn't it time you dumped that xp pro thing in your sig?
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I've had a Ubuntu one 3/4 the way made since I installed it, I just haven't gotten around to finishing it and adding it in yet. ;D

Like Kevie just said, we thought to give the latest Windows version a try.  It was fine, unless you wanted to actually view a website.  What use is a browser that won't even load a page?  How did that even get released? [sm_scratch]

Safari 3 is a great browser.  Given its very serious development tools it might bump Firefox/Firebug as my dev browser of choice.

LOL @ it blows on Windows (your Windows anyway.)  Whouddathunkit?   ;D

LOL You're missing my point again. I don't think Microsoft can or should rest on its laurels. The point I'm making is that you're criticizing Microsoft for the route it took, yet I bet Steve Jobs would give both of his testicles to have Apple in the same position Microsoft is in right now. You're using the IBM analogy to spell Microsoft's doom, yet big fat bloated Microsoft's operating margin is over 40% while quick and nimble Apple's operating margin is 19% and change. You can criticize Microsoft's products and some of the missteps they've taken, but you can't argue that Microsoft isn't a well-run company.

Do you really think Microsoft takes on the responsibility of maintaining the drivers for the thousands of companies that make devices to run on Windows? People bitch and moan about Vista, but if you're in the business of developing software and hardware to earn a living, you welcome significant changes to the OS kernel. It's an opportunity to sell the new version of your product. If not for the open architecture of the Wintel model, literally thousands of companies wouldn't be where they are now. IMO, Microsoft isn't the dominant player on the desktop because of Microsoft. It's the dominant player because of all the alliances that it forged. If not for Vista, I'd still be using Quickbooks 2001. I can guarantee Intuit isn't pissed off about Vista.

Microsoft's OS dominance has nowhere to go but down, and I'm pretty sure that they're well aware of the challenges that they're facing from open-source and free operating systems. As an Applehead, you should worry more about Apple's share of the MP3 player market. Apple's dominance in that market is predicated on the "coolness" factor to teens, and as we all know teen trends don't last very long.


If you haven't seen any indication, you're probably not looking very hard.

Sorry, UB, Apple can't be perfect at everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_(web_browser)


LMAO

I didn't criticize MS for the route it took.  I gave them credit for it.  I then mentioned that it's hurting them now.  They're unable to be as agile as their competition in today's environment. 

I've seen your point since your first post.  I just disagree with it.  If you asked Job would he rather have Bill Gates share of Microsoft or his own share of Apple he'd take the former I should think.  Money is money.  If you asked him if he'd rather run Microsoft or run Apple he'd stay put.


Without a doubt you're correct.  I don't click on microsoft.com when in the market for innovation.  Just doesn't cross my mind.  Along with those trendy teens, college students, IT departments and a growing number of random humans worldwide. 

No, Apple's not perfect.  I distinctly remember not saying that evar.

I'll take my chances with Mac OS, a weekly perusal of http://www.us-cert.gov/current/current_activity.html and nothing more than a software firewall plus a tiny bit of common sense.  You can glee(k)fully LYAO at me when my systems are exploited. 

Oh, you mean innovation like OS X, which is a flavor of Linux, which is a flavor of Unix, which has been around since at least the 70s? No, you're not going to find any of that on any of Microsoft's websites.

someone remind me what this thread was about ?
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And that's pretty much all it takes to secure any machine--even a Windows machine.

ORLY?

I thought you were mentorsports, not azcowboy.   ???

Any discussion of Apple is automatically an opportunity to bash Microsoft. That's apparently the nature of being an Apple devotee.

I've been trying to make it about me.

So you're running no virus-protection at all then?

Oh, I forgot. Linus Torvald got absolutely no inspiration from Unix.

[sm_happy1] Who needs cast Vs Forged? :drama:

I spend a significant portion of my work life making W3C validated websites work with IE (margin hacks, z-index failures, no CSS tables support, the list goes on.)  When I owned my company it literally cost me tens of thousands of dollars out of my own pocket chasing down their incompetence and arrogance.  I'm guessing you'll likely call bull*feces* on that.  That's fine.  It's 100% the truth.

Bashing Microsoft is the least of what I'd like to do to them.  I'd badly like IE to disappear from the face of the planet.

Now that might be something we can all agree on. ;D

Now who's missing the point?  You're near Berkeley right?

I missed the point of what you bolded. You're saying that OS X is not a variant of Linux rather than saying that Linux isn't a variant of Unix. I guess I got confused since I vaguely remember hearing Appleheads argue that whatever Mac OS was around at the time was actually Linux when Linux was coming into vogue. Perhaps I'm not remembering it correctly, since I really didn't give a *feces* about silly debates like this.

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I have no idea what any of it means, but here's a +1 because it made me laugh.

It's pretty clear what OS you prefer. LOL

LOL, actually I use windows and linux, but I think bsd has a better mascot.  [sm_devil]

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Where are you looking? 

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That's what actually confuses me.  From time to time I offer an opinion on Microsoft (other subjects apply here too.)  It's not directed at anyone in particular and not meant to offend unless of course a multi-billion dollar corporation has feelings.  It's just me yacking and floating my thoughts.  If you or anyone else here worked for Microsoft I'd refrain as saying "Microsoft sucks" or some such would be fairly rude.  Obviously you can find my opinion useless and think it completely wrong but I wonder why you feel the need to post "LMAO Bull*feces*..." and so forth.  It's as if you take my opinions on a variety of subjects as a personal affront.  For not giving a *feces* about silly debates like this you sure expend a lot of energy challenging me.  It's cool if you think I'm a dumbass.  Get in line behind my wife and friends.  Probably the best way to deal with me and my stupid opinions is to ignore me/them.  Just a thought.

I really should just blow off your retorts, remain above the fray, but at times I struggle to just step back and walk away.  It's a character flaw of mine.  I'm working on it.

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I was actually referring to the silly debate about what Mac OS really is--whether it's its own animal or a variant of something else. I couldn't remember if the "something else" was Linux or Unix. THAT's the debate I couldn't care less about.

As for your bashing Microsoft, I don't take it as a personal affront, but I guess I tend to speak out against what I perceive as zealotry. Call it my character flaw.

This thread makes baby Jesus cry.

Baby Jesus put this thread on Ignore long ago.

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