GolfHos

When I was at the Golf Coast, I had a golf lesson. (about time)
The swing the pro showed me was basically stack and tilt, keep the head still over the ball, but start off with more weight on your left knee, and on the back swing, still have weight on the back knee.
I have been having great success with this new swing, does anybody else here use this swing.

There was a pretty good article on this swing in either Golf or Golf Digest magazine a few months ago.  I've tried it a few times and it seems to have potential.  I need to find someone that teaches it properly before I commit.  So far, I haven't found anyone local who does.  Let us know how it goes, good luck!

Been there, done that. Had good sucess and a back pain  [sm_disgust]

Go back to convention way already.

I browsed the article about it, but I don't really understand exactly what "stack and tilt" means. 

To me it just looked weird in the pictures, but I think they were exaggerating the positions.  There must be more to it than just not shifting the weight to the trailing foot during the backswing.  I'm not sure I understand the supposed advantage of that, either, unless it's just to help make sure you get back to exactly where you started. 

Can anybody enlighten me?

To me it solely purpose is to MAKES you create the ideal impact position + posture everytime.

According to most non-S&T instruction, at the point of impact.... (and if you are a righty)

Weight shifted to left leg
Right side of hip and higher than left side of hip
hip's open to target
approach the ball with a decending angle
release club the club according to body turn

In convention swing, we have been taught to add these elements into our swing

But in S&T, it MAKES you to do all these. Which mean if you execute a S&T correctly, all of above element will just fall in their place without trying to manuipulating. Which suppose to make your swing much easier to excute a good result, and much, much more repeatable.

i still have no idea what this garbage is.

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Ditto.  If I start thinking about making my body do certain things I'm toast.  One thing at a time please and make it about feel not body parts.

I think *maybe* I'm actually doing a bunch of S&T stuff (on my good strikes anyway) but the last thing I want to do is think about it.   :D

I don't think I'm limber enough to even try it. Then again, maybe I already do it. I really have no idea.

are you still talking about the golf swing?

This topic was the tinder to a huge civil war at another golf forum.


And this is in the wrong section. 

Oh, don't YOU start now.   >:(

*goshdarn*.Anarchy.Surrenders

No point to start a war about different swing methology really.

Bottom line is, *I believe* there's only one good impact position, no matter how you do it before or after. There are many different thing you can achieve to get into that impact position. Whatever works for you afterall  ;D

[sm_bow] [sm_bow]

All hail proper impact position and the providence that lets it happen twice per round.

charles.barkley.rejoices

I think the goal of the S&T is to keep your head position more consistent and centered over the ball by eliminating the weight shift to the rear foot on the backswing. Theoretically, it should reduce fat and thin shots normally caused by too much head movement.

Is this anything like "Speak & Spell" ???

Clean & Jerk.

It sounds like that is my swing, though the term wasn't used when I was taught.

My takeaway swing thought is to "step" on my front side during the takeaway to prevent a sway. 

What I'm trying to do is basically pivot off the front foot, so consequently I need to keep a lot of weight on the front side compared to "swayers".

Imagine a laser light is facing me and is pointed at my front hip at set up. 

What I try to do is keep that laser beam on the hip throughout the swing. 

If my hip stays in one spot, so does my head, and if by magic the shaft stays on plane and the clubface doesn't open either.

If I err and sway, that laser beam hits a photocell behind me that my hip would normally block.  Activation of the photocell triggers a thermonuclear war followed by a post-apocalyptic nuclear winter so horrible and devastating, it is beyond even Quentin Tarantino's darkest imagination.

So, yes, I do believe I "stack" and "tilt" if that's what a "stack" and "tilt" is....and if you can still read this, it is fair to assume I achieve this quite successfully.

Thanks for that tip about the hip.
I will try to keep that in mind, when I am at golf today.

My pleasure.  When trying it for the first time, you'll probably not do it right unless you think about 'sticking your booty' down the target line.

Man, I'd like to see THAT!

I'm going to give this a try.  I'm so sick of hanging back on my right side and burying my club into the ground with a fat chunk.  I've been making swings in my mirror with this method and it feels promising.

'fredo, have you checked into any of the discussions about it on FGI?  If you're interested, they have dissected it from every angle.  Pro and con.  Lot of blow-ups, and arguments, but still some pretty good opinions, and information on it.

If you could post some pics of yourself in the "stacked" phase, we'd appreciate it.

+1

Yeah I've been following those threads.  They are actually very informative for something so undocumented. 

Well I hit some balls at the range Sunday trying what I feel is stack and tilt.  It went pretty well.  At least well enough for me to continue trying it out.  I was hitting some great wedge shots and short irons at first.  Making very solid contact and hitting it surprisingly far.  Took out the driver and proceeded to snap hook one badly.  Next attempt my clubhead hit the ground well behind the ball and it went 50 feet.  Then I tried to keep my weight more centered, make sure I finished my turn and keep my head behind the ball.  And I started hitting good drives with slight draws although the ballflight was pretty low as I'm probably delofting.  I hit a 3W though and piped it down the middle with a slight draw.  I hit a few bad iron shots, couple chunks and some blades but when I made sure and completed my turn on the backswing I hit the ball great.  I did hit a few wedges where I delofted the club a lot but hit it very solid and far.  Good sign in that it seems to keep my hands ahead of the ball at impact. 

Another benefit I found was how well the stack and tilt pivot works for pitches.  I was pitching and chipping better than ever.  It really helped prevent the dreaded stab chunk chip by keeping me fluid and accelerating through.  So far so good though on all accounts.

If you could post some pics of yourself in the "stacked" phase, we'd appreciate it.

Is it safe to say that there are a couple of ProV1Xs in there somewhere?

You should have had the photographer move a little to the side, so we'd be able to see your "grow operation".

Hi guys,

check this out: Is Phil Mickelson planning to use the Stack and Tilt: http://www.phil-mickelson.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/. Well may be that'll help to get him back on track...

Welcome to GolfHos.

I'm having trouble with the fact that that is not his website, and whoever's site it is, makes no mention of Phil moving to the S & T in the piece written.  Seems more like a sales job to buy the DVD's.

Welcome.   [sm_beertoast]

I'm having trouble with the fact that you read the site and didn't just look at the pictures.  :P

Seriously. Give up on the Stack and Tilt. That's so 2007. These days it's all Tilt-Stack-Reverse Squat.

LOL   ;D