GolfHos

Think for a minute about how you're perceived in various settings (work, social, maybe an organization or something).  Now suppose you woke up tomorrow and you were a woman.  (Women reading this thread, don't become any more confused than usual.  I'm talking to the men here.  And BTW, I like your shoes.)  How do you think you'd be perceived, emotionally and in terms of smarts?  Let's assume that everyone tomorrow will not think twice about your gender switch itself.  (I could take a cheap Rickhicks shot here, but ...)

Yeah, it's odd.  But I'm still at work, doing something kinda dull, and the mind wanders to scary places sometimes.

Tough question.  First order of business would be convincing Stephen Rhea it's all good.

Other than that... WTF is wrong with you?

I'd be a bit of a bitch, and still would not sleep with you no matter what you bought me.

For me, I don't think it would be a good experience at work.  I work with a lot of engineer/Asperger's syndrome types.

I sit next to a woman programmer around my age, and people either tend to be condescending and have little respect for her technical skills or are deathly afraid to talk to her. :sad3:

I say little change.  My field is dominated by women.  As a scan technologist/care giver, I think I would be looked upon, and dealt with about the same as now.

Although, as Jules pointed out a week ago, I'd be too busy in the restroom all day to take notice.

Hmmm, I am athletic and in decent shape - I could be a hottie with a bag over my face.  Restroom it is!

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Tried it once...didn't work out so well...

That's all I'm saying

Thanks, Mr. Galindo.

So you think your present level of competence, your intelligence, and your sense of humor would be perceived less positively if you were a woman?

So you think your present level of competence, your intelligence, and your sense of humor would be perceived no differently if you were a woman?

Definite frigid bitch with penis envy. Not too different than now. Perhaps slightly less hairy. Maybe.

If I went to work tomorrow as a woman I would be fired for masturbating on the job.

(S)He'd probably still drink most dudes under the table.

SSDD?

By some people I work with, yes.  Many would be neutral, a few more positively.  But overall, I'd guess there's more on the negative side.

Intelligent, a bit bitchy perhaps and tantalizingly unattainable.  :o 

But my (almost) shaved head would probably be a major turn-off.

You'd all be a bunch of *trollop*s. Admit it.

I would definitely be looked down on, especially as a supervisor. My field is completely dominated by men. Most guys would feel threatened that a woman knows more then they do and would have a hard time taking direction from one. I would have a very hard time getting people to do their job. As far as humor and personality it is rare that a woman has a sailors mouth so there would be rumors abound.

The disgusting part is I keep thinking about what Col. Jessup said in "A Few God Men" about a female being your superior. [sm_disgust]

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my field is about 90-95%  male  so  .......


yeh.

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I would like to dip my bald head in oil and rub it all over your body.

 [sm_laughatyou]


I just thought of Lt. Ilia. Shaved head, not too bad...........

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fwiw, and it aint worth a lot. i've seen this happen. i think one of the highlights of my life strangely enough, was seeing someone go through a **** change operation, one day he was a he and quite literally the next day he was a she, by all appearances anyway, the actual surgery (ouch), was a few months away.

it's an interesting question from my perspective. if we're talking that we keep basically the same dimensions as we have now, although with the added "bonus packages", i have to think i would be one big, ugly woman and definitely a dumb blonde, (why should that change just cuz i got breast tuh suz), my sense of humor would get me laid only after several drinks of which of course i would have to buy because of my low self esteem.

i probably would be married to a serial killer, or i'd be a bull dyke lesbian, toss a coin.

V'ger.surrenders

 [sm_laughatyou]

you muther *fudge*ers aint right. [sm_scratch]

I'd be a ****y bitch for sure.  Tall, legy with big boobs probably long waist and sadly not much of an ass.  I bet I could suck a golf ball through a garden hose too.



Okay that kind of freaked even me out. 


I think the people at work would think I was a stuck up bitch though.  Cause I'm kind of shy yet hot with brains and I like to wear stilettos.  Okay I'll stop now.

I think Clive's question has some merit to it now.  Many responses of being looked upon differently, albeit having the same level of intelligence, and character. 

I still think (although wondering how you would be received is difficult, and begs the question*, how am I perceived now?  Is it really the way I think?)  My case would not be that different.  Instead of them ignoring my personnel rants about the vikings, the would actually be inviting me to the purse party this Friday.


*I still don't understand it's proper use.

I'm just like Lal.  ;D

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/begs.html

"Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which an argument is assumed to be true without evidence other than the argument itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why the statement is true in the first place.

A simple example would be "I think he is unattractive because he is ugly." The adjective "ugly" does not explain why the subject is "unattractive" -- they virtually amount to the same subjective meaning, and the proof is merely a restatement of the premise. The sentence has begged the question.

http://begthequestion.info/



Now back to our regularly scheduled, erm, pretending to be female for Clive.  8)

Also, http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/its.html  ;D

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  And just let me say, that it is my dream, that when you dudes become women, you are not judge by the complexion of your skin, but by the size of your rack."

 [sm_anon]   ;D

so, (thanks, gleek, fuzzy)  To use it at all, is to use it incorrectly?

No, you can use it like so:

"Your lame-ass argument is weak. It's just begging the question."

Ok, I'm starting grasp some purchase on this.

So, was my original usage correct?  I.E.  Didn't my first question raise another?

Replace "begs" with "raises" in your original sentence, and you're fine.

Got it.  Merci.

What gleek said. I'm a little slow tonight.

In the term "begs the question" the "question" is not really a question as such, it is, rather, an argument. The term "beg" does not mean "request" or "ask", but rather it means essentially to use the argument to support the argument. It's an example of circular logic.

Example:

"Dune rules because Frank Herbert is the best author of all time and he couldn't possibly write anything that sucks." (Apologies to U.B.)

Wow.  I guess I can take refuge in the fact that at some level I was smart enough to know that I wasn't smart enough to know how to use it.   [sm_scratch]

Unless you were a speech and debate dork in high school, it's probably a good idea to avoid using the term.

If you were a chick, you'd still probably not know how to use the term right but could probably just flash some cleavage and get away with it.

Guilty.  :sad3:

Fair dinkum.

We didn't have speech or debate in my school.

I grew up during the Reagan Administration.  I was part of the "It's ok if some kids don't get it" program.

 ;D

I remember in my high school, you could actually "letter" in speech and debate. The only thing is that the letter itself actually said "speech and debate" on it. Some of dorkiest of the speech and debate dorks were brave enough to wear their lettermen's jackets around like the athletes did. If you ask me, that's just begging the wedgie.

Who could argue with them?

With no disrespect intended to Spacey and any other *bunghole* who was on a debate team ...

It seemed like the easiest opponents to defeat in law school moot court competitions were those who'd had debate team experience.  Maybe the way you debaters are trained to present ... ?  They typically acted like they thought they'd win based on touching X number of issues or throwing out Y number of buzzwords.  But when the judge interrupted and either challenged their position or switched to an entirely different topic ... painful to watch.

But again, not you, Spacey.  You're special, just like your mom always told you.

I don't doubt it, even a little bit. And yeah, I "lettered" in debate. It wasn't until I was invited back to judge tournaments that I was able to figure out how retarded the institution was. Painful to watch, indeed. Unfortunately the average high school debate judge was easily persuaded by touching on X number of issues and/or Y number of buzzwords. That's why the average high school debate judge very seldom finds him/herself presiding over an actual courtroom.

Oh, and my mom never told me I was special, unless she was referring to athletic talent.

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Weird. On my first glance, I mistook Ralph Macchio for Marisa Tomei.

Vinny Gambini: How many fingers am I holding up now?
Constance Riley: [Squinting, trying to see the fingers] 4.
Vinny Gambini: [Coming back to Mrs. Riley] What do you think now dear?
Constance Riley: Thinkin' of gettin' thicker glasses.

When is your court date?

Aargh, that's the second time I've pwned myself with this movie (http://www.golfhos.com/topic-403.msg3222#msg3222).

I've only seen it once on an airplane as I was falling asleep, but clearly it made an impression on my brain.  I need to watch it again so I realize when I'm making references to it.