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Title: No english no play
Post by: Teed on August 26, 2008, 09:27:44 AM
LPGA will suspend memberships unless you speak English.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3553888

Wow...wow...wow!

Is this an attempt to get the US women on top?  [sm_shock]


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 09:34:25 AM
Wow!!

Can you imagine if that were reversed and applied to male tour players in Europe.


Uberfookinbleebubble!


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 09:35:32 AM
We are an arrogant bunch.  No wonder the rest of the world hates us.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: 1puttpar on August 26, 2008, 10:14:56 AM
Wow!!

Can you imagine if that were reversed and applied to male tour players in Europe.


Uberfookinbleebubble!

What language would be mandatoy in Europe?

I understand what the LPGA is trying to do.  From a marketing perspective they need to develop their brand.  If top tier players cannot speak English it ultimately hurts the overall quality of the product.  It's just Business 101.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
Wow!!

Can you imagine if that were reversed and applied to male tour players in Europe.


Uberfookinbleebubble!

What language would be mandatoy in Europe?

I understand what the LPGA is trying to do.  From a marketing perspective they need to develop their brand.  If top tier players cannot speak English it ultimately hurts the overall quality of the product.  It's just Business 101.

Whatever country they're in.  Why is delivering a speech after a win in Spain and different that Wisconsin?


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Blader on August 26, 2008, 10:24:23 AM
The LPGA seems to have a rich history of this sort of clunkiness.  I wonder why?

At Blader Industries, Inc., we find that there is often nothing more attractive in a potential colleague than one who doesn't speak a lick of english, is from a nation 'across one of the ponds' where standard orthodontic care has not fully penetrated the marketplace, and thus has a pouty overbite. 

Especially if red-headed and with a nursing background.....or a 'background' that could stand some nursing.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: 1puttpar on August 26, 2008, 10:27:08 AM
According to your "plan" you would have it mandatory to speak Spanish, French, Portugese, Mandarin, Arabic, German, Swedish etc, etc.?


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 10:27:59 AM
According to your "plan" you would have it mandatory to speak Spanish, French, Portugese, Mandarin, Arabic, German, Swedish etc, etc.?

Exactly!


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Fuzzy on August 26, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3553888

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Every Korean player who spoke with Golfweek about the meeting came away with the understanding she would lose her tour card if she failed the test rather than face suspension, according to the report. But Korean players who spoke about the policy supported the tour's position, though some, including Se Ri Pak, felt fines would be better than suspensions.

"We agree we should speak some English," Pak said, according to the report. "We play so good overall. When you win, you should give your speech in English."

Angela Park, a Korean-American who was born in Brazil and speaks three languages, said it's difficult to "come to a foreign country and be yourself." She also supports the rule and says it's fair, according to the report........................

................."The LPGA could come out and say they only want 10 Koreans, but they're not," Park said, according to Golfweek. "A lot of Korean players think they are being targeted, but it's just because there are so many of them."

And Seon-Hwa Lee, who said she is working with an English tutor during the offseason and plans to brush up for the evaluation, thinks everyone "can do a simple interview," according to the report. Her ability to answer questions without a translator has improved during her time on the tour.

"The economy is bad, and we are losing sponsors," she said, according to the report. "Everybody understands."

I guess I'm not sure how or why this became an issue. I've never been bothered by watching and listening to an interview with a translator present.

That being said, and I know how this may come across, but English is the de facto standard in the business world. When I have traveled and had meetings with Korean/Japanese/Chinese/German counterparts they converse in English. There are most definitely side conversations in their native tongue but the universal language today is English.

And this has nothing to to with how much 'merka sucks or how arrogant we may be sometimes.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Teed on August 26, 2008, 11:15:20 AM
Why don't the MLB pundits enforce the same thing?
Probably b/c they would lose 1/2 of the players in the league.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 11:26:21 AM
Why don't the MLB pundits enforce the same thing?
Probably b/c they would lose 1/2 of the players in the league.

I hate Ozzie Guillen too.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 11:30:44 AM
I guess nothing else will pull the LPGA out of sagging ratings due to Anika's departure coupled with reduction in sponsor prize money quite like a Hoo Suk Kim letting us know on Sunday that (she) ".......is such a stupid!"


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Fuzzy on August 26, 2008, 11:36:02 AM
I guess nothing else will pull the LPGA out of sagging ratings due to Anika's departure coupled with reduction in sponsor prize money quite like a Hoo Suk Kim letting us know on Sunday that (she) ".......is such a stupid!"

Actually her correct name would be Kim Hoo-Suk.  ;) ;D


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 26, 2008, 11:38:26 AM
I guess nothing else will pull the LPGA out of sagging ratings due to Anika's departure coupled with reduction in sponsor prize money quite like a Hoo Suk Kim letting us know on Sunday that (she) ".......is such a stupid!"

Actually her correct name would be Kim Hoo-Suk.  ;) ;D

 [sm_laughing]


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 26, 2008, 05:02:27 PM
Esperanto ftw.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Spanky on August 26, 2008, 05:58:32 PM
I see this as a little ironic since I would venture to say most American's don't speak proper English, myself included.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 26, 2008, 06:07:07 PM
I'd step just over a little ironic and go right to *goshdarn* retarded.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: MFAWG on August 26, 2008, 09:00:41 PM
I asked this question in the 'Wie DQed after not signing, but actually signing, just improperly, but we only figured that out 18 hours later' thread:

Who the *fudge* is running that show, because they make Mike Helton and Brian France look like bastions of fair play and intelligent decision making in sports?


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: gleek on August 26, 2008, 09:03:15 PM
Wow!!

Can you imagine if that were reversed and applied to male tour players in Europe.


Uberfookinbleebubble!

What language would be mandatoy in Europe?

I understand what the LPGA is trying to do.  From a marketing perspective they need to develop their brand.  If top tier players cannot speak English it ultimately hurts the overall quality of the product.  It's just Business 101.

Who gives a flying *fudge* if the winner can't give an interview in English in the 15 seconds they usually allot for the post tournament interview? Personally, I'd rather not hear English being spoken AT ALL by those with only a minimal amount of competency. I have a lot of respect for the players that do attempt to speak English in their interviews, but usually it makes me cringe, and I feel bad for them for being pressured into doing something they're not comfortable with. It doesn't help when the dumbass interviewers rarely, if ever, take into consideration the English skills of the interviewee.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Fuzzy on August 27, 2008, 08:36:10 AM
Wow!!

Can you imagine if that were reversed and applied to male tour players in Europe.


Uberfookinbleebubble!

What language would be mandatoy in Europe?

I understand what the LPGA is trying to do.  From a marketing perspective they need to develop their brand.  If top tier players cannot speak English it ultimately hurts the overall quality of the product.  It's just Business 101.

Who gives a flying *fudge* if the winner can't give an interview in English in the 15 seconds they usually allot for the post tournament interview? Personally, I'd rather not hear English being spoken AT ALL by those with only a minimal amount of competency. I have a lot of respect for the players that do attempt to speak English in their interviews, but usually it makes me cringe, and I feel bad for them for being pressured into doing something they're not comfortable with. It doesn't help when the dumbass interviewers rarely, if ever, take into consideration the English skills of the interviewee.




Follow the money. It isn't the 15 second post round interview they care about. It's the 4 hour corporate/donor schmooze round of golf in the pro-am and other sponsor interactions.*

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Most tournaments on the LPGA Tour -- and the PGA Tour as well -- exist because they are run by local nonprofit organizations that set up the infrastructures for the events. The biggest part of the bottom line comes from the pre-tournament pro-am, which allows amateurs to get inside the ropes the day before the event and play a round of golf with the pros.

For some, it is a harrowing experience, but it also is memorable and enlightening. During 18 holes, you get to not only play on a nice golf course, but also interact with the players. Annika Sorenstam might tell a story about Tiger Woods. Juli Inkster might give you a few putting tips. Laura Davies might even hang around afterward and tip back a pint.

But the outing is not nearly as enjoyable if the pros cannot speak to the amateurs, who are paying thousands of dollars for the experience. Just like in any business, the LPGA wants its customers to be happy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/columns/story?columnist=harig_bob&id=3554052

Harig does raise a good point later in the article and one that I agree with. I don't think you should take away a players livelihood because they can't speak proper English and there are probably better solutions.


*insert obligatory *fiddlesticks* off korprit 'merka.

I personally think it's a silly dumbass policy but I'm having a hard time generating outrage. Especially since it seems the players don't have a problem with it based on what I've seen and read so far.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: stroh on August 27, 2008, 09:04:50 AM
If I paid thousands of dollars to play in a pro-am I'd like to play with Harrington, and nobody can understand a word that *fudge*er says.

He's Irish for *fudge*s sake!


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 27, 2008, 11:39:04 AM
If I paid thousands of dollars to play in a pro-am I'd like to play with Harrington, and nobody can understand a word that *fudge*er says.

He's Irish for *fudge*s sake!

Yeah, but he doesn't drink.  The paradox results in an inordinate number of "eeaaahhhh"s.  We're lucky it's limited to that.  Many have suggested such an event would result in the tearing apart of the spacetime continuum.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: twoiron on August 28, 2008, 08:42:02 PM
We are an arrogant bunch.  No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

It's not because you're an arrogant bunch, every country hates you for different reason, unlike the French who are universally hated because they're French.

We just hate you for giving us TV shows such as "The Golden Girls", "Growing Pains" and "Ugly Betty"


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: gleek on August 28, 2008, 09:09:38 PM
We are an arrogant bunch.  No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

It's not because you're an arrogant bunch, every country hates you for different reason, unlike the French who are universally hated because they're French.

We just hate you for giving us TV shows such as "The Golden Girls", "Growing Pains" and "Ugly Betty"

Crocodile Dundee and Muriel's Wedding surrender.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: twoiron on August 28, 2008, 09:43:55 PM
We are an arrogant bunch.  No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

It's not because you're an arrogant bunch, every country hates you for different reason, unlike the French who are universally hated because they're French.

We just hate you for giving us TV shows such as "The Golden Girls", "Growing Pains" and "Ugly Betty"

Crocodile Dundee and Muriel's Wedding surrender.

LMAo


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: MFAWG on August 28, 2008, 09:51:51 PM
It's not like they're telling them if they don't speak, they can't play. They have 2 years to learn a certain basic vocabulary.

That said, I played with a Korean couple at Jefferson last year who had the following for English:

Please.

Thank You.

Good Shot.

What more do you need?


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: gleek on August 28, 2008, 10:12:09 PM
It's not like they're telling them if they don't speak, they can't play. They have 2 years to learn a certain basic vocabulary.

That said, I played with a Korean couple at Jefferson last year who had the following for English:

Please.

Thank You.

Good Shot.

What more do you need?

LOL Exactly.

As for Fuzzy's point about amateurs who pay thousands of dollars to play in the pro-am, I'm pretty certain that 100% of non-English speaking LPGA Tour players already know how to say "good shot" and high-five you. I would venture to guess that 90% of the amateurs that sign up for the pro-am are middle-aged, white males, and if they're complaining about a lack of interaction non-English speaking Asian players, they have to realize that they have to be the ones that have to make the effort to interact. These are literally young girls coming from male-dominated societies. What may be viewed as aloofness is simply their behaving the way their expected to in their own cultures.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: gleek on August 28, 2008, 10:20:53 PM
PGA TOUR players sound off (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3558577) on the LPGA policy.

Interestingly, Padraig Harrington has something to say too. (I'm sure it was through a translator.  ;D)

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Padraig Harrington, who has won the last two majors, wondered if the LPGA Tour is taking on too much. Like others, he wants to know how much English a player is supposed to learn to be "effective."

"Surely if you can say, 'Hello,' that's English. Is that good enough?" he said. "Who draws the line about how many words you've got to know in English? What if you have a person who genuinely struggles with learning a new language; they have a learning disability? That's tough to ask somebody with a learning disability, who might have found golf as the saving grace in their life, to ask them to learn a different language or else you can't play.

"There's a lot of different issues to that," he said. "It's a big step to actually put it out there."


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Fuzzy on August 28, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
It's not like they're telling them if they don't speak, they can't play. They have 2 years to learn a certain basic vocabulary.

That said, I played with a Korean couple at Jefferson last year who had the following for English:

Please.

Thank You.

Good Shot.

What more do you need?

LOL Exactly.

As for Fuzzy's point about amateurs who pay thousands of dollars to play in the pro-am, I'm pretty certain that 100% of non-English speaking LPGA Tour players already know how to say "good shot" and high-five you. I would venture to guess that 90% of the amateurs that sign up for the pro-am are middle-aged, white males, and if they're complaining about a lack of interaction non-English speaking Asian players, they have to realize that they have to be the ones that have to make the effort to interact. These are literally young girls coming from male-dominated societies. What may be viewed as aloofness is simply their behaving the way their expected to in their own cultures.

To be clear, this was not my point.


Title: Re: No english no play
Post by: Uisce Beatha on August 29, 2008, 06:04:25 AM
Fuzzy's point is on his head.   8)