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Title: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Aske on April 29, 2008, 06:08:47 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health29apr29,1,1788286,print.story


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: stroh on April 29, 2008, 06:13:35 AM
gay.people.surrender


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Darla on April 29, 2008, 06:14:19 AM
 :o :o


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: birdymaker on April 29, 2008, 06:40:42 AM
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The Kaiser polling, conducted April 3-13, surveyed a nationally representative sample of 2,003 adults, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

pfft.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Aske on April 29, 2008, 07:11:08 AM
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The Kaiser polling, conducted April 3-13, surveyed a nationally representative sample of 2,003 adults, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

pfft.

 ???


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: birdymaker on April 29, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
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The Kaiser polling, conducted April 3-13, surveyed a nationally representative sample of 2,003 adults, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

pfft.

 ???

not only do i not know someone has thought about doing this, or done it, i've never heard of anyone doing it. polls are useless and can be made to say anything you want them to say. especially a small sampling like this.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Aske on April 29, 2008, 01:20:47 PM


not only do i not know someone has thought about doing this, or done it, i've never heard of anyone doing it. polls are useless and can be made to say anything you want them to say. especially a small sampling like this.

50% of golfhos posters agree with your comment
+/- 50%


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: stroh on April 29, 2008, 01:21:27 PM
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The Kaiser polling, conducted April 3-13, surveyed a nationally representative sample of 2,003 adults, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

pfft.

 ???

not only do i not know someone has thought about doing this, or done it, i've never heard of anyone doing it. polls are useless and can be made to say anything you want them to say. especially a small sampling like this.

I don't know anyone who has done it either, but in today's world, and the price of carrying health coverage. I could certainly find it plausible. 


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: birdymaker on April 29, 2008, 04:29:36 PM
according to the linked article,

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7% of Americans said they or someone in their household decided to marry in the last year so they could get health care benefits via their spouse.


not 7% of the people polled, 7% of Americans. that would be 21,000,000. more responsible journalism.  ::)


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Fuzzy on April 29, 2008, 05:26:22 PM
I don't have a horse in this race but kinda gotta agree with birdy on this one.

7% of Americans = roughly 21,000,000. In the last year? Nope. Doesn't pass the smell test.

http://marriage.lifetips.com/tip/23273/did-you-know/did-you-know/how-many-people-get-married-each-year.html

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Did you know that 90%-95% of all Americans will marry at some time during their life? In 1999 about 2 million 300 thousand Americans married according to National Center for Health Statistics (Sept. 6, 2000).

So this number rose from 2.3M to 21M in 8 years?

More info:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces.html

According to the spread sheet I pulled up, here are the total marriages per year:

2006:   2,160,000
2005:   2,249,000
2004:   2,749,000
2003:   2,245,000
2002:   2,254,000
2001:   2,345,000
2000:   2,329,000
1999:   2,358,000

etc. etc. etc.

For the 7% number to be accurate you would have to go back and say every marriage over the past ~4.5 years (with 2 people per marriage) was for health coverage, not just in the past year.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Fuzzy on April 29, 2008, 05:30:04 PM
To be clear, I'm not saying this doesn't happen. I'm sure it does. The numbers in this story simply don't add up.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: stroh on April 29, 2008, 06:02:12 PM
meh.  I've seen better marry for worse.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Clive on April 29, 2008, 06:33:49 PM
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In a poll released today, 7% of Americans said they or someone in their household decided to marry in the last year so they could get healthcare benefits via their spouse.

Perhaps it's inartfully worded or maybe it's just me, but I thought it was implied that they meant RELEVANT respondents.  Seemed kind of obvious that they aren't including minors in a marriage statistic, or those who've already been married for >1 year in this particular statistic, for example.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: E-A-G-L-E! on April 29, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
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In a poll released today, 7% of Americans said they or someone in their household decided to marry in the last year so they could get healthcare benefits via their spouse.

Perhaps it's inartfully worded or maybe it's just me, but I thought it was implied that they meant RELEVANT respondents.  Seemed kind of obvious that they aren't including minors in a marriage statistic, or those who've already been married for >1 year in this particular statistic, for example.

That was how I interpreted it, too, so it's not just you. 

...That could be a positive or negative thing. :D


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Uisce Beatha on April 29, 2008, 07:13:36 PM
I married Clive for the free testicular examination. 

You know Oregon, anything goes.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: spacey on April 29, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
I married Clive for the free testicular examination. 

You know Oregon, anything goes.

Dude, it was just a line. He would have given you the examination anyway.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: E-A-G-L-E! on April 29, 2008, 07:17:37 PM
Actually, my cousin and her fiancé moved up there wedding for that reason.  Instead of waiting until he returns from Iraq, they decided get married before he left in case he doesn't return home.


Title: Re: lol, but it's a sacred institution
Post by: Fuzzy on April 29, 2008, 08:28:50 PM
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In a poll released today, 7% of Americans said they or someone in their household decided to marry in the last year so they could get healthcare benefits via their spouse.

Perhaps it's inartfully worded or maybe it's just me, but I thought it was implied that they meant RELEVANT respondents.  Seemed kind of obvious that they aren't including minors in a marriage statistic, or those who've already been married for >1 year in this particular statistic, for example.

Oh I agree. I also think there is a chance the reporter wanted to make a point and make the number look a lot larger than reality. I took a page from Aske's book and looked at what was presented in black and white ( or for computer types, 1 or 0). How it was worded is simply wrong. It easily could have (and probably should have) been written "7% of all marriages last year".

 :) ;)