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Have The Rules Changed?
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:35:46 AM »

What's with this newest driver.....the dial-a-shaft dealie?

I did a quick search.  4-2a  .......playing characteristics of a club must not be purposely changed by adjustment or by any other means.

As far as that goes, the movable weights too.  I guess the argument is your club can do that, but if you make the change during the round, your wrong.

Or is this a deal like Arnie's Big club.  "It's illegal, we know.  Take 'er out anyway and have some fun.  The buddies in your foursome won't care."

I thought I remember a wedge being disqualified years and years ago, because it had an adjustable face.


Can anyone speak on this with some intelligence on this?

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 02:21:20 PM »


Can anyone speak on this with some intelligence on this?


Yes, but they don't frequent this place much these days.

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 02:55:53 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 08:22:29 PM »

The USGA sold it's soul long, long ago to the manufacturers.

What the hell is traditional looking about 'Square'?
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 08:55:51 AM »

usga is out of control plain and simple. these days it's anything goes as long it's below the cor limit and less than 461cc do what ever your little heart desires.  Bangs Head

I personally believe it comes down to the fact that what can be done with a club head was reached several years ago and now the usga is throwing bones to the manufacturers so they can still "innovate".  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 03:25:26 PM »

http://www.amazon.com/Fut...qid=1238883863&sr=8-1
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 07:57:10 PM »



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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 07:39:00 AM »


Sorry.

This book addresses the sentiment in this thread that the USGA is a massive failure.  I find it very hard to argue with his positions.  The USGA has sold out to the manufacturers and continues to make a mess of the situation with the golf ball.  Classic courses are losing their relevance or being changed in terrible fashion to support the "modern game" -  Augusta being the glaring example.  Instead of growing the game they are engendering an atmosphere where courses are too long, too expensive to play, way too expensive to maintain, too uninteresting to sustain return play, etc.

Good read.  Gives some ideas on how to wrest the game back from the incompetents who are supposedly its stewards. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 09:38:21 AM »


Sorry.

This book addresses the sentiment in this thread that the USGA is a massive failure.  I find it very hard to argue with his positions.  The USGA has sold out to the manufacturers and continues to make a mess of the situation with the golf ball.  Classic courses are losing their relevance or being changed in terrible fashion to support the "modern game" -  Augusta being the glaring example.  Instead of growing the game they are engendering an atmosphere where courses are too long, too expensive to play, way too expensive to maintain, too uninteresting to sustain return play, etc.

Good read.  Gives some ideas on how to wrest the game back from the incompetents who are supposedly its stewards. 

Ok, thanks. 

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the sentiment in this thread that the USGA is a massive failure.


I guess it did sort of head that way, but my actual question, is how are these clubs are addressed.  That is to say, in my search I can't find anywhere they thare are conforming to to the rules, or I guess I can't find anything that allows them?

Are people just playing them anyway, or am I missing something?
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 10:03:35 AM »

I was wondering the same thing.  I know it says a club can't be adjusted during a stipulated round.  But I seem to remember when I used to frequent that other place, that those interchangable shaft thingies where the shaft and head are connected with a threaded screw, must be secured by epoxy during the stipulated round.  Which kind of defeats the purpose IMO.  So I'm not sure how that effects the ones where the face angle and such can also be adjusted. 

I also find it amazing how hard this game still is what with all the technology that is ruining it. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 12:51:13 PM »

I was wondering the same thing.  I know it says a club can't be adjusted during a stipulated round.  But I seem to remember when I used to frequent that other place, that those interchangable shaft thingies where the shaft and head are connected with a threaded screw, must be secured by epoxy during the stipulated round.  Which kind of defeats the purpose IMO.  So I'm not sure how that effects the ones where the face angle and such can also be adjusted. 

I also find it amazing how hard this game still is what with all the technology that is ruining it. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 08:43:33 PM »

Stroh, while 4-2 applies the guts of what you're looking for are in appendix II.

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b. Adjustability

All clubs may incorporate mechanisms for weight adjustment. Other forms of adjustability may also be permitted upon evaluation by the USGA. The following requirements apply to all permissible methods of adjustment:

    (i) the adjustment cannot be readily made;

    (ii) all adjustable parts are firmly fixed and there is no reasonable likelihood of them working loose during a round; and

    (iii) all configurations of adjustment conform with the Rules.

    During a stipulated round, the playing characteristics of a club must not be purposely changed by adjustment or by any other means (see Rule 4-2a)

Arguments abound as to what constitutes "readily made."  Seemingly an adjustment made by a screwdriver or a dime is a problem but that made by a hex screw is not.

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re: Golf is still hard.

Over the past decade or so the average USGA handicap index has dropped by 2.x strokes.  Anyone who has tried to shave strokes off their index knows that's substantial.  This has happened with plenty of courses increasing length, speeding up their greens and/or growing their rough.  This has also happened in the Tiger Era when plenty of new players started up with the game.  That should be raising the average index although admittedly many of these noobs don't carry a handicap.  I look around (and in the mirror) and I don't see this happening due to the fitness revolution sweeping golf.  I hit a couple of 300 yard drives today using a R540 350cc driver.  I'm short, overweight and my swing isn't worth filming to say the least.  I was hitting it pretty good and basically all of my drives were 260+ other than the one I duffed and the one I sliced.  Dan Pohl led the PGA Tour in driving distance in 1980 with an average drive of 274.1 yards.  I think it's pretty clear equipment has helped the weekend golfer to a pretty significant degree.

For professionals and top amateurs the difference is even more substantial.  They are hitting 9i second shots into 500 yard par-5s.  The tournament venues are doing all the things mentioned above and other "elite" courses are following suit.  Look at what Augusta has done.  Planted tons of trees, lengthened the course pretty much yearly, created bowling alley golf on a course that was designed to play wide open and encourage the hero shot attempt.  The Masters has been ruined.  I suspect the winner on Sunday will enter the back nine within 3-4 strokes of the lead.  We'll never see a Norman v. Faldo classic again on that course.  Not unless they roll it back.

Classic designs at 6500 yards which refuse to "Tiger proof" themselves are being left by the wayside.  We don't get to see them on Sunday afternoons and that's a real shame.  How about mods to our local munis?  Probably not so much.  The equipment revolution does not touch many of us where we play.

For those that do succumb, how much does it cost to purchase, develop and maintain an extra acre of a golf course?  Who pays for it?

Anyway, you've seen the adverts, right?  More length, less spin the driver, more spin on the irons, more control, better feel, better touch, bigger sweet spots, optimum launch conditions for everyone who buys one - did I miss anything? 

The alternative view?  Equipment is not ruining golf ergo the equipment companies are full of *feces* ergo there is no advantage to buying their gear.  I'm fine with giving this one a shot too. 

Most of the best golf courses in this country at least were built in the first few decades of the last century.  A renaissance has occurred in the past couple of decades.  In between we have, for the most part, a bunch of cookie cutter, penal, strategically wanting designs culminating in everything all things Fazio.  I guess people like that stuff.  I don't.
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