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No offense to Steelers fans but....
« on: September 10, 2009, 09:05:51 PM »

I *goshdarn* DESPISE how the NFL does OT.

The most popular sport in the US and the ONLY (as far as my memory goes tonight) league that doesn't allow an equal chance.

And spare me the "well, just stop the other team" argument as the stats prove whoever wins the coin toss is a a prohibitive favorite to win the game.

And from the don't come to me with bitches if you don't have a solution file.......first one to score 6 points wins. Yes, I know it could still be over in one possession but whatever.........still better than the current system. YMMV.

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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 09:08:57 PM »

Upon further review....I hate penalty kicks/shots to decide a game as well.

Man the *fudge* up and play the same game you have been all night to decide the winner or don't have OT. If that means an extra 15 minutes for tonights game so be it.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 11:11:32 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 11:11:44 PM »

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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 06:27:59 AM »

I like the current sudden death format.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 07:56:15 AM »

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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 09:02:16 AM »

I think the game should be decided with a 22-man scrum at mid-field. First team to get the ball into the opponent's endzone by any means necessary is the winner.
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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 11:35:39 AM »

My new favorite columnist.  Devil

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No contest: NFL's overtime system is the worst in sports

 
The first step toward recovery, of course, is admitting you have a problem.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell got close to a successful intervention the league's 32 owners before Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa in February. That's when he tried to splash cold water on their faces and rehabilitate the league's imbalanced overtime system. Ultimately, the league's competition committee did not pursue a better way to break ties. That's why the NFL, which opened its 90th season with yet another overtime game on Thursday, retains the undisputed position of having the worst overtime system in sports.

It is a dubious title for the world's greatest sports league to have, but the NFL has earned it. For 60-minutes, NFL gladiators can sweat, bleed and bruise their way toward victory. But victory still could all come down to heads or tails and a 170-pound kicker's mental state.

Frankly, the odds are stacked against overtimes lasting more than one possession. NFL rules constantly are tweaked in favor of offenses, and in today's era of pro football, kickers are more accurate and have stronger legs. In fact, over the past five years, nearly 62 percent of teams winning the overtime coin flip have gone on to win the game. It happened again Thursday night with the Pittsburgh Steelers winning the coin toss and going on to kick the game-winning field goal against the Tennessee Titans 10 plays later.

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The best (and worst) overtime systems:

1. Baseball (pro and college) -- The big-leaguers and major league-wannabes lead the class on all four fronts. Extra-innings could not be more equitable. The teams play until there is a winner. No sport offers more overtime drama, because none gives you more time to think about all the potential ecstasy or angst. When the Mets and Astros played arguably the greatest baseball game ever in the 1986 NLCS, emotion swings were dizzying through nearly five hours and 16 innings. When Boston College and Texas locked into an NCAA Tournament marathon in March 2009, they just played. And played. And played. For 25 innings. Authenticity? Nothing changes from regulation to overtime in baseball -- pitchers pitch, hitters hit, fielders field. There's no clock and no special overtime rules. And it's about as Fan Friendly as any game gets.

2. Tennis -- Andy Rod*8==>* and Roger Federer played 95-minutes of heart-stopping tennis at this year's Wimbledon Final. That was in the fifth-set alone, in which Federer ultimately prevailed 16-14. Like baseball, the rules don't change, the players keep playing and the emotion and drama can be drenching. Tennis may not be close to the most popular sport in this country anymore, but it does it right.

3. NBA/NCAA basketball -- The only things that keep basketball from being the best system are players fouling out and bad free-throw shooters. The fairness and authenticity are top-notch. Drama can be more exhilarating than in any other sport, with Christian Laettner- or Michael Jordan-like moments. But hoops loses a bit to baseball and tennis because the best players are not always on the floor. They foul out.

And If more players could make free throws, the final two minutes of a game would be much more exciting (and would not take 20 minutes to play). Coaches would not be nearly as willing to send opposing players to the free-throw line down the stretch.

4. NHL/Hockey -- Some of the greatest overtime games ever played have been in the Stanley Cup playoffs. The overtime system is just about perfect, except for a pair of warts that loom large when it comes to Authenticity and Fan Friendliness.

Only in the postseason does hockey play until there is a decision. In the regular season the sport goes the sudden death and shootout route. And the NHL remains a sport whose message gets lost on casual fans, unless they're watching on HD. A lot of fans just don't watch hockey, which means when they do, they just don't get the rules.

5. Golf -- It compromises little when it comes to overtime. Tied after 72-holes? Fine, let's play 73, 74, 75, whatever it takes. Special mention should go to the U.S. Open, which takes the playoff to the next level, playing an entire extra 18 holes or more the next day.

Still, because some players' games are more suited for certain holes than others, the Authenticity can be compromised if the playoff hole suits one player more. Golf also loses points because it is an individual sport, and it can be less than Fan Friendly if the playoff is called for darkness.

6. NCAA football -- Admit it, you still have to think hard or maybe read the TV graphic whenever a college football game goes into overtime. Is it after two overtimes when a team has to go for a two-point conversion, or after three? (It's after two, by the way.) But as much as college football passes the Drama and Fairness tests, providing superb finishes in recent years, it fails miserably on Authenticity and Fan Friendliness.

Most fans have not committed college overtime rules to memory. And starting at the 25-yard-line with no kickoffs involved is not how the game is meant to be played. Any time a team conceivably could have a game-winning "drive" without even getting a first-down, something's wrong.

7. AFL/AFL2 -- OK, it's the now defunct Arena Football League, but the AFL2 is alive and well. It's not Fan Friendly because of its lack of broad appeal, nor Authentic. Let's face it. It's gym-class football. But it still had a good overtime system that works. Take note, NFL. Each team gets one possession in overtime. If the teams remained tied, the game becomes sudden-death and is played until there is a winner.

8. NASCAR -- There's a certain letdown anytime there's a wreck or breakdown late in a race and the 500-mile race has to become 500-plus. Here comes the Yellow Flag, literally bringing a bump-and-grind race to a screeching halt. In July '08, NASCAR instituted an overtime procedure, where one attempt would be made at a green/white/checker finish if a caution occurs within the final two laps. And the green-white-checker overtime finish offers big-time thrills and racing. The biggest problem is in a sport where fuel regulation is so important, some run out of gas or sputter and the best car and driver do not always win.

9. World Cup/soccer -- The NCAA uses a Golden Goal rule, which is a fancy way of saying sudden death. Not good. FIFA, however, at least tries to finish a game true to regulation. An extra 30 minutes of soccer is played, with the teams switching sides after 15 minutes. The problem is, if after 30 minutes the teams remain tied, the teams play a penalty-kick shootout, which is little more than a guessing game on the goalkeeper's part. It stinks.

10. NFL -- Heads we win, tails you lose. For such a detail-oriented league that demands perfection, from how players wear their socks to constantly tweaking rules, to leave the overtime system as is remains a mystery.
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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 12:14:01 PM »

http://sports.espn.go.com...ayton_john&id=2826668

I agree with this dude.  Although he provides these numbers

"There has been a rise in the percentage of teams that win the coin toss winning games. That percentage went from 55.9 during 1994-97 to 64.6 for the next four seasons. And after it dropped to 60 percent for 2002-05, it went up to 63.6 last season."

He concludes "But going to a two-possession system in overtime isn't the answer. Moving kickoffs from the 30 to the 35-yard line would help and I'd be in favor of doing that. But mandating a two-possession overtime simply will be wrong and it would hurt the game." for which he states many reasons in the article.   


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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 05:05:20 PM »

http://sports.espn.go.com...ayton_john&id=2826668

I agree with this dude.  Although he provides these numbers

"There has been a rise in the percentage of teams that win the coin toss winning games. That percentage went from 55.9 during 1994-97 to 64.6 for the next four seasons. And after it dropped to 60 percent for 2002-05, it went up to 63.6 last season."

He concludes "But going to a two-possession system in overtime isn't the answer. Moving kickoffs from the 30 to the 35-yard line would help and I'd be in favor of doing that. But mandating a two-possession overtime simply will be wrong and it would hurt the game." for which he states many reasons in the article.   


His reasons are just his opinions on this topic.  Wink  My opinion is that a game shouldn't be left to a coin flip. I would kill to take a 60-65% winning percentage to Vegas.  Smiley

Oh well....it is an issue that probably will never have a really good solution.
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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 05:53:13 PM »

Oh well....it is an issue that probably will never have a really good solution.

I disagree.  Go with one full overtime period and then call it a tie.  Or if TV time nixes that solution then just call it a tie at the end of regulation.  Ward's fumble last night resulting in away points for Tenn. would have been at least as compelling as what happened (not that I'm complaining  Grin)  I'd much rather see one team completely *8==>* up clock management playing for an underdog tie while the favorite does everything it can to grab the win.  Has to be better than enduring two minutes of a team sitting on a ball hoping for the coin toss.

And the playoff mathematics in the closing weeks of the season would be even more interesting than it already is.
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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 05:59:50 PM »

Oh well....it is an issue that probably will never have a really good solution.

Go with one full overtime period and then call it a tie. 

Or if TV time nixes that solution then just call it a tie at the end of regulation. 

Has to be better than enduring two minutes of a team sitting on a ball hoping for the coin toss.

And the playoff mathematics in the closing weeks of the season would be even more interesting than it already is.

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I should have worded it differently. My point was that there are so many differing opinions both inside and outside the League that you'll not find consensus on "a really good solution" anytime soon.
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Re: No offense to Steelers fans but....
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2009, 06:17:40 PM »

I don't know exactly how to resolve this controversy but my instincts tell me the solution should involve the cheerleaders and some competition among them.

ps,btw NASCAR is more popular than the NFL
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