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« on: September 30, 2010, 05:00:31 PM »

http://voices.washingtonp..._says_net_neutrality.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 05:05:13 PM »

Joe Barton first APOLOGIZES to BP, and now he effectively kills the net neutrality bill. What a *goshdarn* douchebag!
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 05:37:12 PM »

Joe Barton first APOLOGIZES to BP, and now he effectively kills the net neutrality bill. What a *goshdarn* douchebag!

combined with the COICA bill, this country is falling down the tech/info crapper.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 08:24:42 PM »

Barton is a douchebag.

That said: Somebody give me the argument that says a private business that owns the network it operates shouldn't be able to control access and content on that network.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 08:45:30 PM »

Barton is a douchebag.

That said: Somebody give me the argument that says a private business that owns the network it operates shouldn't be able to control access and content on that network.

besides the fact they were given the tech by the govt
the fact they have been given over 2T in subsidies easements tax breaks etc
the fact local gobs give them monopoly provider rights
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*fudge* them
this is not an area we can afford to fall further behind the civilived world

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 09:03:55 PM »

Barton is a douchebag.

That said: Somebody give me the argument that says a private business that owns the network it operates shouldn't be able to control access and content on that network.

besides the fact they were given the tech by the govt
the fact they have been given over 2T in subsidies easements tax breaks etc


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the fact local gobs give them monopoly provider rights

The REAL problem here is the monopoly, amirite?





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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 09:41:51 PM »

Barton is a douchebag.

That said: Somebody give me the argument that says a private business that owns the network it operates shouldn't be able to control access and content on that network.

besides the fact they were given the tech by the govt
the fact they have been given over 2T in subsidies easements tax breaks etc


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the fact local gobs give them monopoly provider rights

The REAL problem here is the monopoly, amirite?









1st part is easy

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...i/History_of_the_Internet


2nd part, I'll admit I'm lazy and not finding it on a quick search at the moment. but I definitely remember the #, as at the time, a "T" stood out.   It was from a CBO or equivalent type agency report that came out after the Clinton Telecom Act of 1996. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 09:54:28 PM »

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By 1990, ARPANET had been overtaken and replaced by newer networking technologies and the project came to a close. In 1994, the NSFNet, now renamed ANSNET (Advanced Networks and Services) and allowing non-profit corporations access, lost its standing as the backbone of the Internet. Both government institutions and competing commercial providers created their own backbones and interconnections. Regional network access points  (NAPs) became the primary interconnections between the many networks. The final commercial restrictions ended in May 1995 when the National Science Foundation ended its sponsorship of the Internet backbone.[32]

That was almost twenty years ago, yet you still maintain that the entire innergoogles was constructed by the gubment?

I'm not buying it, and your own 'Proof' appears to state that it's not true.

Assuming that commercial providers have constructed their own networks, why shouldn't they be allowed to control access and content? If you can give me a decent argument, not only am I ready to hear it, I'm ready to change my mind. The problem is, I haven't come up with one that makes sense to me yet.

OTA broadband MAY be a different ball of wax, as those frequencies are licensed?
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 06:50:22 PM »

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By 1990, ARPANET had been overtaken and replaced by newer networking technologies and the project came to a close. In 1994, the NSFNet, now renamed ANSNET (Advanced Networks and Services) and allowing non-profit corporations access, lost its standing as the backbone of the Internet. Both government institutions and competing commercial providers created their own backbones and interconnections. Regional network access points  (NAPs) became the primary interconnections between the many networks. The final commercial restrictions ended in May 1995 when the National Science Foundation ended its sponsorship of the Internet backbone.[32]

That was almost twenty years ago, yet you still maintain that the entire innergoogles was constructed by the gubment?

I'm not buying it, and your own 'Proof' appears to state that it's not true.

Assuming that commercial providers have constructed their own networks, why shouldn't they be allowed to control access and content? If you can give me a decent argument, not only am I ready to hear it, I'm ready to change my mind. The problem is, I haven't come up with one that makes sense to me yet.

OTA broadband MAY be a different ball of wax, as those frequencies are licensed?


*bangs head against desk*
Does the internet you use, and your ISP provides you not rely on TCP/IP , which DARPA developed (funded, anyways) and essentially gave away ?   Huh? Huh?

And again, the actual networks' physical infrastructure(s) have been massively taxpayer subsidized, so the assumption is invalid.

But since you bring it up, why is the government allowed to tell you you have to build and operate toll-less handicap access ramps, etc, on your storefront property?

 
 


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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 06:53:00 PM »

pps, if you really think this is a good idea,  try running a traceroute to your 20 or so favorite websites.
see how many connections you actually make.   
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 06:54:35 PM »

http://img167.imageshack..../netneutralpricingwf8.jpg

the future internet, brought to you by your monopoly negotiated service provider.


meanwhile the rest of the advanced world operates  exactly how the internet always has been-- neutral.
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2010, 06:56:38 PM »

http://arstechnica.com/te...cess-broadband-report.ars


"we'll improve service, maybe, if you subsidize us more...  meanwhile, let us go non-neutral"   Roll Eyes

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