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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2007, 10:53:03 PM »

Interesting. From the other thread that dystopia posted, it sounds like Dyno and SMT were once butt buddies. I wonder what caused the falling out.

I think it was something to do with taking longer strokes or sand in the vaseline.

Or something completely different.
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2007, 11:21:31 PM »

Interesting. From the other thread that dystopia posted, it sounds like Dyno and SMT were once butt buddies. I wonder what caused the falling out.

I think it was something to do with taking longer strokes or sand in the vaseline.

Or something completely different.

Fumbled punts.
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2007, 11:25:10 PM »

The only point I chased in that thread was that the Nemesis swelled from 370cc to 405cc when his foundry made new brass casts/molds/masters/whatever, and that the new 405cc head was advertised as USGA-legal without ever having been submitted to and approved by the USGA.

"We design all our heads to pass USGA standards" is great, but the fact that previous SMT heads FAILED to pass indicates that the best-laid plans of mice and Tait ...  Punch Balls
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2007, 11:33:25 PM »

The whole fabricated story about the Nemesis changeover was a joke.  I remember measuring the head volumes of both then shafting up identical clubs.  If he's seeing the same spin and launch numbers, someone's feeding him *feces*.  I have a vague idea of the true story and it's a far cry from what he claimed...and certainly 100% more plausible
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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2007, 11:35:15 PM »

I want to make a joke about the Nemesis getting married and gaining 35cc, but my wife keeps walking by the computer.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2007, 12:51:29 AM »


I've always wondered what the real story of the Nemesis was behind the scenes, but was never sure what really happened.  I do recall how it started, though.

The thread that cbae linked to is from 03/05/04, and the one I linked to is from 07/27/04.

But I believe the story begins on 11/19/03.  I remember it because I had been on FGI for about 5 months and had just bought my first component after reading all the great things about them.  My first choice was a Nemesis based on everything I had read and from drinking the FGI koolaid, and just after I bought it, the controversy erupted, so I had no clue if the head I had just bought was a gazoo nemesis or the 370cc one that everyone had raved about. (it turned out to be the 405cc version, but  I'm still not sure if it was the gazoo or just the larger, later model)

Here's what I remember about how it started.....the forum was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to return soup at a deli....


1) longdriv2 (now SMT) posts this thread called  SMT - " On New Heads " on 11/19/03
http://www.freegolfinfo.c...aspx?m=559456&mpage=1
It's a description of all the new heads for next season (Spectrum, O2, etc.)

2) On page 2 of that thread, a mysterious visitor names puttingfool (not PnF, the tool) shows up and posts something that has now been deleted.

However, someone later quotes it:
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I have seen three drivers, two with Nemesis markings, and one with HP420 markings, all sitting side-by-side. The two Nemesis heads did not look the same, but one looked to be more the size and configuration of a 420. The only thing similar about the two Nemesis heads are the sole and the grooveless face...everything else on Nemesis #2 matched the 420 perfectly. Now, either this was caused by poor quality control where the heads were manufactured, or there was an attempt at deception. My question is this: Which reason is true?

And I do not take this lightly. In fact, I have known about this for quite some time, but was rather hoping that Mike, being the great guy that we all believed he was, would come clean about this on his own.

3. Several posts in that thread have since been deleted, but it's interesting to note the piling on happening with the newcomer.  This was back when everyone loved SMT.

4. Page 7 of the same thread has a remarkable post, in hindsight:
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I realize that. But once I read the post stating that even if I took pictures, there was a chance that they could be altered, I decided that no amount of being right on this issue is going to matter. Nobody here is going to believe that Mike has done anything wrong no matter what level of evidence I provide. So, it is best to just let the matter drop. Besides, if the folks who received the incorrect heads are satisfied that they have a good club, what's the difference, right? I am just a little saddened about the whole issue, because I know what is truth here, and nobody else is willing to believe it, and the man everyone here trusts is telling a different story.

5. Somewhere on page 8, PuttingFool posts a link to pictures of the heads, because the tide starts to turn by the end of page 8, and opinions appear to change once they see the pics.  Many posts seem to have been deleted here.

6. The rest of the thread gets threadjacked by GODGIB jumping in.

7. I remember many threads and posts were deleted after that, but this one remains:
http://www.freegolfinfo.c...aspx?m=561968&mpage=1

Since things were getting deleted all over the place at that time, I was careful to save a link to the pictures that PuttingFool posted.  You can view them here:
http://fgi.250free.com/


In hindsight, we've all become accustomed to two Nemeses by now, but this was a huge deal at the time.



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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2007, 01:47:12 AM »

Wow.

Conclusions:

1.  Those heads are different.

2.  That Persimmon guy posts a lot.

3.  PuttingFool pisses all over puttnfool.

4.  dystopia is scary.

5.  I still like cheese.

6.  And beer.

7.  Godgib has been a *fudge*tard for longer than I thought.

8.  Figs are great for bowel movements.

 




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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2007, 02:15:38 AM »

Wow.

Conclusions:

1.  Those heads are different.

2.  That Persimmon guy posts a lot.

3.  PuttingFool pisses all over puttnfool.

4.  dystopia is scary.

5.  I still like cheese.

6.  And beer.

7.  Godgib has been a *fudge*tard for longer than I thought.

8.  Figs are great for bowel movements.

 





are you sure about #8?
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2007, 04:48:01 AM »

The only point I chased in that thread was that the Nemesis swelled from 370cc to 405cc when his foundry made new brass casts/molds/masters/whatever, and that the new 405cc head was advertised as USGA-legal without ever having been submitted to and approved by the USGA.

"We design all our heads to pass USGA standards" is great, but the fact that previous SMT heads FAILED to pass indicates that the best-laid plans of mice and Tait ...  Punch Balls

I had, in good faith, asked Tait, (I'm only using his last name beccause my name is Mike, too, and I don't want it to sound like I'm talking to myself Cheesy), about the fact that I saw a few heads on the non-conforming list, and their status. He jumped all over my *feces* to tell me that it was only a few heads and they were no longer available. It wasn't the nicey-nicey customer service champion he liked to say he was, but more of a 'what right do you have to question me' attitude.
That, to me was not the way to handle the situation.
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2007, 07:11:54 AM »

Take this dumb ass *feces* to the equipment section, before I get Blader to moderate the hell out of it.
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2007, 08:41:30 AM »

We were talking about your junk in chat last night.
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2007, 08:44:02 AM »

 Shocked

I'm bummed I missed. Sad

That's my favorite subject.
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2007, 08:46:41 AM »

Clive was outta control - he was riding on everyone's junk.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2007, 08:47:42 AM »


4.  dystopia is scary.


That thread just really bothered me because it was ugly how quickly people were ready form a mob and destroy that guy.  Plus, that was the first time that I had my posts deleted on FGI, and I was pissed. Angry
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2007, 08:49:00 AM »

I remember my first time.  LOL  Grin
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