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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2007, 12:54:36 PM » |
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round that isn't being used towards your index.. Since you're not asking a rules question ... can I ask why the round "isn't being used towards your index" (assuming you keep one)? practice round, 9 hole round, course that doesnt have correct slope/rating, etc ?
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2007, 02:20:38 PM » |
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round that isn't being used towards your index.. Since you're not asking a rules question ... can I ask why the round "isn't being used towards your index" (assuming you keep one)? practice round, 9 hole round, course that doesnt have correct slope/rating, etc ? New forum, easing into things, atticus not yet on board, hypotheticals allowed. For now. But we'll need to work on "practice round" and "9 hole round" insofar recording for handicap is concerned.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2007, 06:20:58 PM » |
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I've lost balls in the middle of the fairway before.
Especially when the stupid liberal leaves decide to do a mob march on the ground in autumn.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2007, 03:36:44 PM » |
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Liberal leaves are bad for you.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2007, 07:35:12 PM » |
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Liberal leaves are bad for you.
It's just that simple.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2007, 07:27:43 AM » |
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In the circumstances described I drop in the vicinity and add two strokes to account for stroke and distance.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2007, 07:44:40 AM » |
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In the circumstances described I drop in the vicinity and add two strokes to account for stroke and distance. Why not just score it in accordance with USGA handicap rules? I took you to mean you didn't score it that way for "score" purposes (i.e., saying "I shot X"). Please correct if wrong.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 08:15:53 AM » |
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In the circumstances described I drop in the vicinity and add two strokes to account for stroke and distance. Why not just score it in accordance with USGA handicap rules? I took you to mean you didn't score it that way for "score" purposes (i.e., saying "I shot X"). Please correct if wrong. To be clear, the circumstances we're talking about are pretty rare for me. I'm pretty liberal with provisionals and try not to take chances, and in season I post everything so playing a round that isn't being used toward my index is something that only happens during the off season. That said, I'm a little unclear on what you're asking me, and maybe I'm unclear on the USGA handicap rules. Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a hole that is not played under the rules of golf I would take par plus handicap strokes on that hole? Why would I do that if I'm not posting the score? Even during a winter round I still play for a score, so dropping in the vicinity and adding two strokes seems like the best alternative. Sure, I could reload and lose another, but I could also reload and split the fairway. I figure a drop in the vicinity (which is almost always a less than desirable spot to begin with) would work out, over time, to be a "fair" way to approach it.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2007, 08:45:14 AM » |
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You do have the USGA handicap approach correct.
And sorry, perhaps your "circumstances described" meant inactive-season and I just missed that. The gist of the latter part of this thread was, to me, the misunderstanding most people have about a round not being used toward handicap. I didn't catch that yours was permissibly not to be used (e.g., inactive season).
Are you saying that you'd call a lost first ball, dropped second (lying three in your approach) and three more to get down a 6 for scorecard purposes? I have no problem with that if your group has agreed to it (I'm quite non-militant in that regard).
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2007, 09:00:33 AM » |
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Are you saying that you'd call a lost first ball, dropped second (lying three in your approach) and three more to get down a 6 for scorecard purposes? I have no problem with that if your group has agreed to it (I'm quite non-militant in that regard).
Yes, I'd by lying three, as if I had gone back to the tee and hit it to that spot. I think it's the best option if you're going to go against the rules in those circumstances.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 08:32:35 AM » |
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In the circumstances described I drop in the vicinity and add two strokes to account for stroke and distance.
But that's like taking a 3 shot penalty, because your vicinity drop is typically in or near jail, right? But when a ball is lost, the ruling is to go back and hit it from the same spot as before. But here, it's like you're playing a hazard drop, only adding on the distance penalty. So what you are doing is a sorta self-flagellation. NTTAWWT, to each his own, etc and so forth, but its strikes me as an extremist act. It's probably something this guy would do to himself if he was also a devout adherent to golf. If I didn't take a provisional on the tee, because I wrongly assumed I'd find the original tee shot, I basically go to the middle of the fairway, to a spot where I should have been in the first place, and take a stroke and distance drop, there. If by surprise I find that I've actually lost the ball, I just pretend I would have pured the provisional I should've taken in the first place. I've run the calculations, and this practice 'improves' my official handicap index by a factor of 0.00000000007865109.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 09:28:18 AM » |
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I've run the calculations, and this practice 'improves' my official handicap index by a factor of 0.00000000007865109. I understand this is tongue in cheek but what you describe should in no way have a factor in your official handicap. You should record the score for the hole under section 4 of the handicap system. If you're recording the round with the invalid drop and fake provisional it's probable the score is greater than par + handicap strokes. Therefore, you're likely not improving your index. You're going the other direction. Sandbagger.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 09:49:38 AM » |
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What is your point?
Again, the dude simply asked what I do.
I'm in "finish playing the hole because I've paid a lot of good money to play the *goshdarn* hole" mode in those sorts of moments, so I give myself a choice middle of the fairway lie.
I write down the score I most likely would have shot on the hole in the situation where I've lost a ball and am taking the S&D, which 9.99999999999 out of 10 times is a double bogey, which happens to be my ESC limit, which is convenient.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 09:59:14 AM » |
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My point is that the discussion hasn't been about submitting for handicap. It's been about what we do in a particular scenario. Your post mentioned the effect your practice has on your index. However, your practice is directly in conflict with the handicap system. What you do on the course is fine. It's close enough to what I do also. But I record my score as per section 4-2. My actions on the hole don't reflect upon my index. I might finish up with a par or a quadruple bogey but I record par + strokes. The proper procedure is worth clarifying.
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Re: round that isn't being used towards your index..
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 10:42:01 AM » |
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In the circumstances described I drop in the vicinity and add two strokes to account for stroke and distance.
But that's like taking a 3 shot penalty, because your vicinity drop is typically in or near jail, right? But when a ball is lost, the ruling is to go back and hit it from the same spot as before. It could be, it could also be like stealing strokes since I have zero chance of going back to the tee and losing another ball, or hitting another ball OB. When I lose one it's usually ball that's hit pretty long, and wrong. Not returning to the tee also eliminates the chance of hitting one short and into jail as well. So while it could be self flagellation, I figure in the long run the difference between what I put on my card using my method, and what would have happened if I had returned to the tee (all pissed off and hitting in front of a pissed off audience), is around 0.00000000007865119.
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