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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2007, 07:41:43 AM »

my relatives had a doberman in the 80's and 90's  they lived in a small house (probably 1800 sf or so, mostly filled), smaller yard(probably 30x40), and kept it in basically a modified enclosed porch ... about 10'x20' whenever people came over.  i remember distinctly over time (years going by) how sad and angry that poor dog become  .... times would go by that it would jump at the windows trying to get at people, bark non-stop, etc

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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2007, 07:43:56 AM »

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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2007, 07:56:28 AM »

How can any dog that rolls over on his back showing his pee pee, and hanging his tounge out while smiling be bad?
Much like the boys in the jailhouse, the dog at this point is bowing to the alpha male. It's basically a submissive move. Any dog can and will attack, I've seen little rat terriers that are mean sumbitches.

It's the old nature versus nurture argument. Spaceage and I have talked about this before, some breeds have been bred to do certain things, it's hard for them to get away from that mapping, watch an aussie shepherd with a group of other dogs at a park, it wants to herd the other dogs, my lab wants to get in the water and pull things. Unfortunately Pit Bulls were bred to fight. does that mean that they are inherently evil, I don't think so, I think I could raise any dog to be loving and gentle, then again I've been doing it for 20+ years.

Who said euthanize the idiot owners, that gets' my vote.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2007, 08:00:52 AM »

Well, I couldn't resist.  After that *fudge*in' idiot made the comment about it being the same as keepin' "a loaded fire arm" in the house.

I was gonna go with one dog bites, so all muslims are terr'ists.......but figured it wouldn't be prudent.  I just can't get involved.  I really don't have a dog in the fight. Wink
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2007, 08:19:52 AM »

How can any dog that rolls over on his back showing his pee pee, and hanging his tounge out while smiling be bad?
Much like the boys in the jailhouse, the dog at this point is bowing to the alpha male. It's basically a submissive move. Any dog can and will attack, I've seen little rat terriers that are mean sumbitches.

It's the old nature versus nurture argument. Spaceage and I have talked about this before, some breeds have been bred to do certain things, it's hard for them to get away from that mapping, watch an aussie shepherd with a group of other dogs at a park, it wants to herd the other dogs, my lab wants to get in the water and pull things. Unfortunately Pit Bulls were bred to fight. does that mean that they are inherently evil, I don't think so, I think I could raise any dog to be loving and gentle, then again I've been doing it for 20+ years.

Who said euthanize the idiot owners, that gets' my vote.

Keep in mind that Pit Bulls were bred to fight dogs, not people, and they are smart enough to know the difference. In fact they were also specifically bred to be friendly toward humans. It was a general safety issue- a handler didn't want to have a dog who might turn on him before, during, or after a fight. In fact, the old breeders used to destroy immediately any dog that showed human aggression or general instability toward people. The argument can be made that some breeders of lesser repute have intentionally bred dogs who display viciousness, and this may be true to some degree, but it is not in their fundamental genetic makeup. Viciousness is a tendency that has to be cultivated, either through intentional training, or through neglect (as in Aske's story about his relatives' dobie).

It is true that you can, for the most part, take the dog out of the fight but not the fight out of the dog. Monte has displayed aggression towards other dogs, though almost in every case it was in direct response to the dog being aggressive towards him. I can't expect a dog with generations and generations of dogfighting in his genes to suddenly be a different breed. We socialized him very young so he is good with other dogs, but he will certainly not say no to a good fight. He doesn't seek them out, but he won't turn them down. I'm realistic about it, which is why we don't allow him to be unattended with other dogs.

What bothers me is attitudes like "the dog killed a cat/dog/rabbit/squirrel/etc today, tomorrow it could be a child." It's irrational, and it's incorrect. Beagles, if given the opportunity, will kill a rabbit in a second, but at the same time be gentle and docile with children. A beagle knows the difference between a rabbit and a baby.

I remember hearing a story a while back about a family's St. Bernard that "suddenly snapped" and mauled their child. When they put the dog down, they discovered that it had a pencil jammed 8" into its ear canal. My question, however, is what the hell are people doing leaving children unattended with dogs, of any breed, in the first place?

Until someone figures out a way to keep idiots from owning dogs, I'm afraid there's really no way to prevent bad/vicious/dangerous dogs. Unfortunately, as I said before, the dog, not the owner, will always be blamed.

Damn. There I went again.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 08:30:10 AM »

Man I had a flashback, I think Mom and Dad said this about me when I was like 4 or 5.
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We socialized him very young so he is good with other dogs kids, but he will certainly not say no to a good fight. He doesn't seek them out, but he won't turn them down. I'm realistic about it, which is why we don't allow him to be unattended with other dogs kids.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2007, 08:32:08 AM »

LOL Seamus.

Well said, spacey.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 08:43:45 AM »

This thread would win against the Figs thread in a pit fight.

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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2007, 09:36:37 AM »

This thread would win against the Figs thread in a pit fight.


Nature or nurture?
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2007, 09:47:14 AM »

This thread would win against the Figs thread in a pit fight.


Nature or nurture?

It was a rhetorical question Errol. What have I told you about thinking?
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2007, 10:06:18 AM »

This thread would win against the Figs thread in a pit fight.
Oh, please.  Some boards have been bred to do certain things, it's hard for them to get away from that mapping.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2007, 10:20:19 AM »

Our neighbor had a pit bull, it barked 24/7.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2007, 10:37:10 AM »

This thread would win against the Figs thread in a pit fight.
Oh, please.  Some boards have been bred to do certain things, it's hard for them to get away from that mapping.
My friend has a cousin whose coworker told him about a police officer who told him that he once heard about one board that was friendly and polite and then one day just turned and became mean. You can't trust boards like that.
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2007, 10:44:58 AM »

But, was it the board's fault, or the owner's?
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Re: i think pit bulls should be banned
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2007, 10:45:56 AM »

But, was it the board's fault, or the owner's?
The owner neglected the board.
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