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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2007, 05:42:30 PM » |
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Didn't he? Stuart faced off with the Union cavalry on the 3d day 4 or 5 miles away from the battlefield, IIRC. This of course after being a day and a half late...  Many historians seem to think that Stuart was just supposed to be a minor skirmish and not part of the grand scheme of things. (At least, that's the conclusion I come to when some of them are talking about how un-historic the book is.) And actually, Stuart didn't make it as far as the proposition had him coming. He got caught up with Custer and his calvary instead of hitting into the army. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2007, 05:44:11 PM » |
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Karma Uisce...it was a funny line. I missed something yet again? lol Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2007, 05:49:50 PM » |
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I missed something yet again? lol
Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce.
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Re: History Buffs
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2007, 05:54:02 PM » |
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Karma Uisce...it was a funny line. I missed something yet again? lol Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce. So how much do state fairs run in Minnesnowta? |
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Re: History Buffs
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2007, 05:56:38 PM » |
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I missed something yet again? lol
Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce.
You can figure it out. No pop culture on this one. No worries on the other. I'm the king of threadjacks. I often change the subject when conversing in real life too. Ooooooh, I see the phrase now. lol Yeah, I always purchase the whole state fair. There really isn't any other way to go. Surprisingly, it doesn't set me back as much as you would think. I just can't figure out why I have to buy the thing every year....  I don't have a problem with threadjacks, but I know some people do mind so I try to stay on topic. Well, most of the time. |
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Re: History Buffs
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2007, 05:57:27 PM » |
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Karma Uisce...it was a funny line. I missed something yet again? lol Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce. So how much do state fairs run in Minnesnowta? They don't run anywhere. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2007, 06:12:07 PM » |
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2007, 06:13:28 PM » |
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Didn't he? Stuart faced off with the Union cavalry on the 3d day 4 or 5 miles away from the battlefield, IIRC. This of course after being a day and a half late... Many historians seem to think that Stuart was just supposed to be a minor skirmish and not part of the grand scheme of things. (At least, that's the conclusion I come to when some of them are talking about how un-historic the book is.) And actually, Stuart didn't make it as far as the proposition had him coming. He got caught up with Custer and his calvary instead of hitting into the army. I guess I'll have to read the book, but I'm not seeing how whether or not Stuart was stopped by the Union Cavalry (of which Custer was a fairly lowly brigade commander) has any impact on how Lee lost the battle, which was the fairly incredible decision to launch a frontal assault against an entrenched enemy across almost a mile of open ground. This was a decision so ill advised that Longstreet almost resigned rather than have to give the order. Why Lee made it has long been a mystery, but not really: He screwed up. |
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2007, 06:17:15 PM » |
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Didn't he? Stuart faced off with the Union cavalry on the 3d day 4 or 5 miles away from the battlefield, IIRC. This of course after being a day and a half late... Many historians seem to think that Stuart was just supposed to be a minor skirmish and not part of the grand scheme of things. (At least, that's the conclusion I come to when some of them are talking about how un-historic the book is.) And actually, Stuart didn't make it as far as the proposition had him coming. He got caught up with Custer and his calvary instead of hitting into the army. I guess I'll have to read the book, but I'm not seeing how whether or not Stuart was stopped by the Union Cavalry (of which Custer was a fairly lowly brigade commander) has any impact on how Lee lost the battle, which was the fairly incredible decision to launch a frontal assault against an entrenched enemy across almost a mile of open ground. This was a decision so ill advised that Longstreet almost resigned rather than have to give the order.... Well, there was a lot of ground work, and I'm not doing the greatest job on the summary. But, regardless of the conclusion you come to, I think you would enjoy the book, if you read it. |
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Re: History Buffs
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2007, 06:17:57 PM » |
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Might be time to stop, it's getting I had actually typed "It depends on how many people are trying to buy it", but decided to change it. |
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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2007, 06:19:47 PM » |
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Didn't he? Stuart faced off with the Union cavalry on the 3d day 4 or 5 miles away from the battlefield, IIRC. This of course after being a day and a half late... Many historians seem to think that Stuart was just supposed to be a minor skirmish and not part of the grand scheme of things. (At least, that's the conclusion I come to when some of them are talking about how un-historic the book is.) And actually, Stuart didn't make it as far as the proposition had him coming. He got caught up with Custer and his calvary instead of hitting into the army. I guess I'll have to read the book, but I'm not seeing how whether or not Stuart was stopped by the Union Cavalry (of which Custer was a fairly lowly brigade commander) has any impact on how Lee lost the battle, which was the fairly incredible decision to launch a frontal assault against an entrenched enemy across almost a mile of open ground. This was a decision so ill advised that Longstreet almost resigned rather than have to give the order.... Well, there was a lot of ground work, and I'm not doing the greatest job on the summary. But, regardless of the conclusion you come to, I think you would enjoy the book, if you read it. I don't think there's anything wrong with your summary, dear. Might be something wrong with the guys premise, however.... |
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2007, 08:15:27 PM » |
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I missed something yet again? lol
Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce.
You can figure it out. No pop culture on this one. No worries on the other. I'm the king of threadjacks. I often change the subject when conversing in real life too. I don't have a problem with threadjacks, but I know some people do mind so I try to stay on topic. Well, most of the time. This site is one big threadjack. There are more threads with them here then without. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2007, 08:18:52 PM » |
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I missed something yet again? lol
Oh, and sorry for the thread jack, Uisce.
You can figure it out. No pop culture on this one. No worries on the other. I'm the king of threadjacks. I often change the subject when conversing in real life too. I don't have a problem with threadjacks, but I know some people do mind so I try to stay on topic. Well, most of the time. This site is one big threadjack. There are more threads with them here then without. Yeah, I know.  It adds to the charm.  |
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2007, 09:04:24 PM » |
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Sorry, didn't mean to jack the thread. It was an interesting subject.
Won't happen again.
Okay, I lied: It's an interesting subject (why Lee couldn't repeat his success at Chancelorsville a few weeks later at Gettysburg) but I'm really NOT sorry, and it will happen again.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2007, 09:10:02 PM » |
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Thus the reason the battle is so interesting. Lee could have won. Mistakes happen even on the battle field and timing is everything.
This is one of the battles that are taught at military schools and for just cause.
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