GolfHos
 
*
October 05, 2024, 05:28:30 PM
Username: Password: Duration:

'fair use'

 
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: 'fair use'  (Read 3075 times)
0 Members and 1 Lurker/Spider are viewing this topic.
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
'fair use'
« on: November 14, 2006, 10:00:13 AM »

http://news.com.com/2010-...547-1_3-0-5&subj=news
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2006, 10:03:09 AM »

riaa douchebag, diaf.
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Uisce Beatha
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
From: In the Jar

Karma: 116
Posts: 7357
Offline Offline

Get me the tank!

View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2006, 02:58:43 PM »

riaa douchebag, diaf.

Remember the good ol' days when you had to shoplift if you wanted to steal music?  A right bitch if you wanted the latest Krokus LP as it was very tough to hide those things down your pants.  Cassettes should have been easier except they packaged them in that big, long cardboard thingy.  Most people I knew resorted to ripping off their friends' music at parties while everyone else was pullin' a train on Nina Pisiso.

The internet sure made plundering tunes easier for a while.  Then those damn record companies realized making $14.99 on 17,427 copies of a record wasn't good business and made moves to shut down the sharing networks.  Greedy bastages. 
Logged Return to Top

"If you're darker than a caramel, Reverend Al speaks for you." - Aasif Mandvi
"Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man: no time to talk." - stroh
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2006, 03:25:22 PM »

riaa douchebag, diaf.

Remember the good ol' days when you had to shoplift if you wanted to steal music?  A right bitch if you wanted the latest Krokus LP as it was very tough to hide those things down your pants.  Cassettes should have been easier except they packaged them in that big, long cardboard thingy.  Most people I knew resorted to ripping off their friends' music at parties while everyone else was pullin' a train on Nina Pisiso.

The internet sure made plundering tunes easier for a while.  Then those damn record companies realized making $14.99 on 17,427 copies of a record wasn't good business and made moves to shut down the sharing networks.  Greedy bastages. 

i have no problem safeguarding against 'theft'.  i have MAJOR problems when I buy something, and I have to buy it AGAIN to play it on a different 'player'.  like not being able to rip a cd/dvd i legally purchased onto my mp3 player, or make a backup cd-r of it  should it accidentally get scratched.

i also have a major problem if I (not that I have) were to buy an mp3 online, and want to move it to a different mp3 player (say I upgraded)  and then can't. (have to buy it again)

i'm no theft advocate.  i am a fair use advocate.   finally, for what it's worth (then again, metalheads are different...)  i have bought probably 800, if not 1000-1200  cd albums based on me downloading from the label/artist site/ etc etc etc  a mp3 sample of the music  on the cd.
 Grin
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2006, 03:27:59 PM »

riaa douchebag, diaf.

Remember the good ol' days when you had to shoplift if you wanted to steal music?  A right bitch if you wanted the latest Krokus LP as it was very tough to hide those things down your pants.  Cassettes should have been easier except they packaged them in that big, long cardboard thingy.  Most people I knew resorted to ripping off their friends' music at parties while everyone else was pullin' a train on Nina Pisiso.

The internet sure made plundering tunes easier for a while.  Then those damn record companies realized making $14.99 on 17,427 copies of a record wasn't good business and made moves to shut down the sharing networks.  Greedy bastages. 

i have no problem safeguarding against 'theft'.  i have MAJOR problems when I buy something, and I have to buy it AGAIN to play it on a different 'player'.  like not being able to rip a cd/dvd i legally purchased onto my mp3 player, or make a backup cd-r of it  should it accidentally get scratched.

i also have a major problem if I (not that I have) were to buy an mp3 online, and want to move it to a different mp3 player (say I upgraded)  and then can't. (have to buy it again)

i'm no theft advocate.  i am a fair use advocate.   finally, for what it's worth (then again, metalheads are different...)  i have bought probably 800, if not 1000-1200  cd albums based on me downloading from the label/artist site/ etc etc etc  a mp3 sample of the music  on the cd.
 Grin



also, although this is far more a metal/punk  thing than a mainstream thing,  if a record/cd  is out of print, and* it never even routinely occurs on ebay ... when it does... it's $100+ a copy,  should downloading it really be considered theft (assuming you would pay $15 for it if it were in the store for you to buy!)
?
 Smiley
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2006, 03:32:36 PM »

going back to my previous point

riaa/mpaa  attitude is 2-faced

let me present you this scenario

you buy a cd/dvd.  you want to make a backup copy of it or transfer it to your pc/portable..  these agencies stand against this, saying you bought a license to use the item in its original medium/format only, you need a different license for a different player (the crux of their argument these days in the wake of 'piracy').. in short, you did not really buy a physical good (yours to do with as you please), rather only a license

you then scratch the item referenced in 1.  you email them , stating the problem, and asking them to send you a replacement copy, as you originally purchased a license (not a phys. good) and your license still exists, needing a replacement 'license medium' for 'cost' ($.50 at most for a mainstream cd to be pressed..the physical good)... they write you back and laugh at you.  your license never existed! you bought a physical good.  so long, sucka
 Devil
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Uisce Beatha
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
From: In the Jar

Karma: 116
Posts: 7357
Offline Offline

Get me the tank!

View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 03:42:20 PM »

You are doing a great job of clarifying your position.  Given your "other job" I had always found your short 'n sweet chimings in on the subject a bit odd.

Point #1 - I have no problem with making copies for backup or conversions for alternate vehicle play.  But you have to concede that the problem the industry is addressing is not people like you - it's flat out crooks.  If the world was full of Burzoomies the record media companies wouldn't be playing this game. 

Point #2 - Supply and demand.  If something is rare then its value increases.  Unfortunately for you, your taste in music runs from the decidely not mainstream to the absolutely obscure.  I feel your pain but disagree you should be able to swipe and burn just because the asking price is out of reach.  There's a book I want that sells used for $750+ on Amazon.  I don't want it that bad so I don't own it.  Simple enough.
 
Point #3 - EXTREMELY good point.  One which I've never considered.  I'll give you that one in full.
Logged Return to Top

"If you're darker than a caramel, Reverend Al speaks for you." - Aasif Mandvi
"Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man: no time to talk." - stroh
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006, 03:54:27 PM »

 Cheers Stretch Drinking
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Aske
Lederhosen

Karma: 120
Posts: 31405
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 03:57:05 PM »

p.s.


a world full of people like Burzooom!

 Mob

 Wink
Logged Return to Top

Quote
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.
--  Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka
Uisce Beatha
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
From: In the Jar

Karma: 116
Posts: 7357
Offline Offline

Get me the tank!

View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2006, 04:16:32 PM »

p.s.


a world full of people like Burzooom!

 Mob

 Wink

[* shudder *]

 Wink
Logged Return to Top

"If you're darker than a caramel, Reverend Al speaks for you." - Aasif Mandvi
"Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man: no time to talk." - stroh
twoiron
Full Metal Jacket
From: The Drawing Room

Karma: 41
Posts: 4571
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2006, 05:25:42 PM »

p.s.


a world full of people like Burzooom!

 Mob

 Wink

[* shudder *]

 Wink

I second that sentiment Wink
Logged Return to Top

"Nothing says sorry like a warm plate of bacon... or so I'm told"
spacey
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
From: Group W Bench

Karma: 98
Posts: 7733
Offline Offline


View ProfileIgnore this user
Re: 'fair use'
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2006, 09:46:27 PM »

 Buddies
Logged Return to Top
Pages: [1]   Return to Top
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Related Posts
see what happens when you don't have fair use ?
There will always be self abuse of fair use.<rimshot>
by TFT

Five Dollar Footlong
  Corndogs at the fair are the best. Our little county fair fires up next
by Fuzzy

The Minnesota State Fair
So yesterday I was off to the Minnesnowta State Fair for a day of fun.  And
by E-A-G-L-E!

[P No R, Just P] Fair Tax?
If my take home income goes up 15 pct, and my outgo goes up 30 pct, that's
by MFAWG

 


 
  Powered by SMF | SMF © 2001-2009, Lewis Media

Dilber MC Theme by HarzeM