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Re: Firefox surrenders
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 08:30:49 PM »

Us 'old' guys have to stick together. We need all the help we can get.  Cheesy

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2007, 08:34:15 PM »

I don't think it's targeted at 20 year old young ladies.   Wink

I think once one has children one takes all the help one can get.  My son wanted me to buy him a "clean" song from ITMS this evening.  Well, it was rap of sorts and I have this little policy when it comes to rap.  No matter what I peek at the lyrics.  I got an eyeful on this particular tune.  Let's just say it was NSFE&T.

Trust me, something like this for my eight year old...  I'm all over it.

lol.  I'm sure it's not aimed toward me, either. 

Actually, Miss America parading around the screen isn't a great thing for kids anyway.  But that's a personal opinion.

I really am for things like this, but you can do just as much to Firefox to make the web kid-safe.  Web nannies, host files, plugins like noscript, adblock plus, etc., can all be useful tools.  More time consuming, but then you absolutely know what you're kid is seeing, and not relying on someone else's definition of safe.  Check the browsing history on a regular basis.  Talk to your kids.  Be very involved. 

This Miss America browser can be a good thing, and I do like how she added that parents should be involved, but sometimes the less you have to do, the less involved you become.  Also, granted, not everyone knows how to use the host file and other things, so that is one reason why I think the browser could be a good thing.  But that also means that they might think the browser alone can take care of most of their problems, but it can't take the place of an involved parent.  I do see positives to the browser; it's just that I see some negatives, too.

Btw, Thumbs Up to having rules established early on in regard to music (and probably other areas, too).  I know a few families who are now struggling with their kids from not doing so. 

(And I really like the NSFE&T line. Smiley)
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Re: Firefox surrenders
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2007, 08:39:59 PM »

Yay, reinforcements.   Wink Grin

lol! 

I'm not really against you.  Just an ally whose opinion only slightly differs.


I'm hesitant towards people becoming more hands-off when they receive technological help/programs, than the technology/progam itself.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2007, 08:40:34 PM »

Yay, reinforcements.   Wink Grin

Us 'old' guys have to stick together. We need all the help we can get.  Cheesy

Young whippersnappers these days, why I oughta........

Run to us for help whenever there's a computer problem? Wink
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2007, 08:41:01 PM »

Us 'old' guys have to stick together. We need all the help we can get.  Cheesy

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2007, 08:49:26 PM »

Yay, reinforcements.   Wink Grin

lol! 

I'm not really against you.  Just an ally whose opinion only slightly differs.


I'm hesitant towards people becoming more hands-off when they receive technological help/programs, than the technology/progam itself.

I don't think we've implied that as any help in this area should be welcomed. Something like this wouldn't change my policing of computer usage.  Wink Smiley

Agree that Miss America may not be the "best" role model but she's far from the worst. That would be Miss South Carolina.  Devil
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2007, 08:53:33 PM »

Good points, Nat.

I was tied up earlier, and didn't have time to type.  I hate to pull out the "Parent" card, because few people on this board fall into that demo, and get tired of hearing about it.

This may be hokey, and not worth the download, but I can tell you Maddie would love a program/browser where Miss America comes out and "talks" to her.  I like the idea of it being highly restrictive.
I parent my child, but at the same time I am human.  As she grows (society today) will require her to be connected electronically more often than I can have her on my lap clicking for her.  If a product like this helps bridge that gap........I'll check it out.

It is my intent that  Air quotes 14 y/o F. Calif.  Air quotes Never makes contact with her. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2007, 09:13:00 PM »

Yay, reinforcements.   Wink Grin

lol! 

I'm not really against you.  Just an ally whose opinion only slightly differs.


I'm hesitant towards people becoming more hands-off when they receive technological help/programs, than the technology/progam itself.

I don't think we've implied that as any help in this area should be welcomed. Something like this wouldn't change my policing of computer usage.  Wink Smiley

Agree that Miss America may not be the "best" role model but she's far from the worst. That would be Miss South Carolina.  Devil

That's good.  'Cause it shouldn't. Cheesy

If it was Miss South Carolina, I hope a map would be included.
If it was Miss South Carolina, I think almost everyone would be wary. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2007, 09:46:37 PM »

Good points, Nat.

I was tied up earlier, and didn't have time to type.  I hate to pull out the "Parent" card, because few people on this board fall into that demo, and get tired of hearing about it.

This may be hokey, and not worth the download, but I can tell you Maddie would love a program/browser where Miss America comes out and "talks" to her.  I like the idea of it being highly restrictive.
I parent my child, but at the same time I am human.  As she grows (society today) will require her to be connected electronically more often than I can have her on my lap clicking for her.  If a product like this helps bridge that gap........I'll check it out.

It is my intent that  Air quotes 14 y/o F. Calif.  Air quotes Never makes contact with her. 

Thanks. Smiley

I try not to pull out a "parent" card too often, too, 'specially 'cause I'm not a parent. Cheesy  However, I am learning a lot from having siblings that are 15 and 18 years younger than me.  (And, yes, sometimes they think of me as a second mom.  It's nice in a way.  But sometimes I miss just being a sibling to them.)

The point about society is very valid, and definitely something to consider.  In fact, the reason we did finally get a computer was because of the changes that were becoming so obvious in this area.  My parents would be perfectly content without one, but also realize that, especially for the younger generations, it's rather impractical and can actually be inhibiting, not to mention almost impossible. 

The fact that you can't always be by your child when they are doing something is a good reason to take precautions.  This browser or your own customization to Firefox (or another browser that allows a lot of tweaks) is a good step (I prefer the latter).  But there are lots of other things to do, too.

Yeah, I hope 14 yr. old Calif (or any of his/her friends) never makes contact with Maddie, either.  She sounds like a sweet girl.  Or makes contact with any of you GHer's kids, for that matter.  (If I'm not careful, I'm going to go down another rabbit trail.)


Like I said in another post, I know people who are now regretting things they should have done sooner.
One is now regretting not being up on what their child was involving herself in when she was 13.  By the time they realized it and wanted to add restrictions, they were bucked and weren't able to fully establish it (partly because they hadn't really established family rules or parental control, partly because they had somewhat "given up" on the rule before they made it (didn't enforce it), partly because they didn't have the knowledge of what to do to help enforce it, and I think they also caught it much too "late").  That went on for years, now that "girl" is a "legal adult", and they still have problems with her whenever she's home (which isn't often because she's always away with friends or at her dad's house because he doesn't have any guidelines). 

Another family, is now struggling because they weren't aware of everything you could do with a computer and were caught off-guard.  They're in the process of setting down rules.  But it's hard for a kid to follow them when they're friends are trying to persuade them otherwise.

There are other instances, too.  I'm trying to learn from other people's experiences.  And one thing I've really noticed, is how important it is to be involved in your children's lives.  And to set the groundwork down early so you don't have to regret it later.  (Yeah, that's two things.)


Those of you with kids, enjoy them.  And I hope you don't have the regrets from the same mistakes that so many other people are suffering from.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2007, 06:07:11 AM »

It's interesting to see a point of view I just don't have. Having 3 boys there are some things you worry about less. Not that the threat is any less for them you just worry less. Not having a girl or even having a sister I have no idea what it's like for girls. My wife and some women at work have given me a clue but it only makes me glad I have boys. I do not envy any dads of girls. If you don't have an ulcer by the time they are 14, you area  strong man.

Me I only have to worry about 3 *8==>*s, fathers of daughters have to worry about all of them.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2007, 05:21:02 PM »


This Miss America browser can be a good thing, and I do like how she added that parents should be involved, but sometimes the less you have to do, the less involved you become.


I do believe, young lady, that this is the second time I've agreed with you.  My two sons and I grew through the beginning of the internet together.  Luckily, I was just barely smart enough to keep tabs on them.  We discussed what they did and where they went.

They are 28 and 25 now, so I don't worry.  If I had young children now, I would worry.

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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2007, 07:33:47 PM »


This Miss America browser can be a good thing, and I do like how she added that parents should be involved, but sometimes the less you have to do, the less involved you become.


I do believe, young lady, that this is the second time I've agreed with you.  My two sons and I grew through the beginning of the internet together.  Luckily, I was just barely smart enough to keep tabs on them.  We discussed what they did and where they went.

They are 28 and 25 now, so I don't worry.  If I had young children now, I would worry.

Second time in this thread or second time overall?  Either way, that's Cool

Thanks.  Hearing that was encouraging.
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