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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2007, 10:53:00 AM » |
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Who cares about e-mail, just text me.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 11:06:33 AM » |
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Well, 'FF' back at ya!
Yeah, well online email ****! Don't get me started E-mail clients have some pluses. In fact, I quite enjoyed using mine this afternoon as I sent out a mass e-mail. cus, web-based email cannot do that??? No. Cuz I Outlook's automatic recognition of contact names, cuz I like to use some of the paragraph format options, and cuz it can request receipts.
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2007, 11:09:21 AM » |
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Who cares about e-mail, just text me.
lol Sometimes, though, that's not even close to being an option.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 11:33:53 AM » |
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No. Cuz I Outlook's automatic recognition of contact names, cuz I like to use some of the paragraph format options, and cuz it can request receipts. Hmmm, I have auto name recognition too. Paragraph formatting is completely dependent upon how your recipient reads the email (the system and client they use) - the same is true of receipts (which I personally find useless anyway). I can put all sorts of smilies, embedded images, and such in my emails, but if the person on the other end isn't using the same formatting it doesn't come across. Now, if you want to use a mail-merge function and personalize a mass email for each recipient - THEN Outlook has an advantage. And as I mentioned before - you can script behavior on incoming emails with a true client as well. I'm not talking filters, you can do that with anything - I'm talking taking action based upon the format of an incoming email (for instance we were accepting faxes with one system, then emailing them using procmail to a storage system. The email would contain the source and destination phone numbers and the script would deposit the fax into the proper place based upon the numbers). Oh, and the slow, intermittent connection situation you may have. Thats it - really. Seeking out additional reasons for why you're using it is an emotional exercise, not a logical one. 95% of the population is better off with web-based email. Can you tell that poor email systems and usage has been a peeve of mine for quite some time?
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 12:40:15 PM » |
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No. Cuz I Outlook's automatic recognition of contact names, cuz I like to use some of the paragraph format options, and cuz it can request receipts. Hmmm, I have auto name recognition too. Paragraph formatting is completely dependent upon how your recipient reads the email (the system and client they use) - the same is true of receipts (which I personally find useless anyway). I can put all sorts of smilies, embedded images, and such in my emails, but if the person on the other end isn't using the same formatting it doesn't come across. Now, if you want to use a mail-merge function and personalize a mass email for each recipient - THEN Outlook has an advantage. And as I mentioned before - you can script behavior on incoming emails with a true client as well. I'm not talking filters, you can do that with anything - I'm talking taking action based upon the format of an incoming email (for instance we were accepting faxes with one system, then emailing them using procmail to a storage system. The email would contain the source and destination phone numbers and the script would deposit the fax into the proper place based upon the numbers). Oh, and the slow, intermittent connection situation you may have. Thats it - really. Seeking out additional reasons for why you're using it is an emotional exercise, not a logical one. 95% of the population is better off with web-based email. Can you tell that poor email systems and usage has been a peeve of mine for quite some time? All 3 of my accounts have web-based e-mail: my primary account (through my ISP), my secondary account, and a junk account. My primary account is sorely lacking online features, no address book, etc, though they did recently upgrade their "editor" to include some html. It needs a client to be of much use. Secondary account web-based, no auto-recognition, address book is getting better though. Third account, junk, so it doesn't matter what it has. I don't use smilies or images. It's other minor changes that tests show remain basically the same. Receipts are not useless when the e-mail does not *require* a response. And I've found over the past 3 years, that if it doesn't require a response, ~99% of the time I won't get one. However, it's nice to know if it's been "read". For that matter, even when a response is requested, I still don't always get one. It's called communication, and it's sorely lacking. An emotional exercise? Nah, it's preferential. I've considered moving towards web-based e-mail, and if we ever upgrade from dial-up I might just do that. And no, I can't.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 01:15:44 PM » |
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An emotional exercise? Nah, it's preferential.
Same thing If you do look again - try Yahoo, Gmail, MSN/Hotmail, even *shudder* AOL. Local and regional providers give you bare bones email - I've never used it. As for receipts - they will respond or they won't - can't force em. Receipts play no role there - which is why I find them useless. Several people use them to 'test' people they are sending email to. Many therefore consider it rude and offensive. The practice of using receipts is even frowned upon here at work (where I have to use Outlook) and the email team has discussed turning the option off completely. If only they would take the advice of Jack Welch and remove the 'reply-all' buttons too
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2007, 01:28:53 PM » |
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As for receipts - they will respond or they won't - can't force em. Receipts play no role there - which is why I find them useless. Several people use them to 'test' people they are sending email to. Many therefore consider it rude and offensive. The practice of using receipts is even frowned upon here at work (where I have to use Outlook) and the email team has discussed turning the option off completely. If only they would take the advice of Jack Welch and remove the 'reply-all' buttons too I won't respond to receipt requested. Refuse to even consider it. I respond to all business emails same day even if only to let them know I'm swamped and will get to it later. Personal email is a different animal. Those I might ignore or deem not needing a response. I deal with a development company in Bangalore on a weekly basis. They send absolutely everything with RR. Drives me nuts. You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2007, 01:30:44 PM » |
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You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use. not if the other option is pine
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2007, 01:38:37 PM » |
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You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use. not if the other option is pine Dude... Leonardo da Vinci surrenders.
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2007, 01:40:41 PM » |
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I used to find email receipts offensive, but now I just assume it's a newbie with bad netiquette.
I had an amusing phone conversation a few years ago when someone asked why I hadn't read or responded to their email, and I told them they'd receive a response after the punitive "one-week delay for requesting receipt" is up.
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2007, 01:45:35 PM » |
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You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use. A slave to the auto-notify are we? I've used both for extended periods, and cannot imagine why you think webmail blows
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2007, 01:54:04 PM » |
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You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use. A slave to the auto-notify are we? I've used both for extended periods, and cannot imagine why you think webmail blows * Response times of a browser v. POP client * Drag-and-drop capability for attachments * Off-line accessibility * Security (granted, only if you know what you're doing) * Search capability * Multiple accounts combined as desired with client app Webmail has its place. I use it when I travel. I actually have 3-4 webmail accounts (Google Apps for the most part) but I enable POP and use Thunderbird. The only concession I give to webmail is the fact that I don't have to worry about keeping SPAM filters current. With a decent mail admin this is handled anyway but we all know decent mail admins are hard to come by. Good ones are usually too smart to leave them as mail admins.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 01:54:16 PM » |
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No. Cuz I Outlook's automatic recognition of contact names, cuz I like to use some of the paragraph format options, and cuz it can request receipts. I thought you were a Thunderbird user. (or was that post meant as a "cuz Im in yur mailspool" LOLcat-style joke?)
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2007, 01:58:09 PM » |
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You're wrong about webmail though. It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use. not if the other option is pine Dude... Leonardo da Vinci surrenders. sorry, i much prefer drag and drop attachments (if you have seen my work file names you would understand!!!) and local file saving 90% of the time maybe if we had a working samba service so I could easily get stuff between systems ... it would change my p-o-v. pine rules of course for simply writing a new message or reply.
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