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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #75 on: November 26, 2007, 08:32:19 PM » |
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how would the penalty end the game, tirico, you *goshdarn* felchgobbling tool.
I thought games can end on offensive penalties but not on defensive penalties (unless declined). Or do you mean because there were 2 seconds left? |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2007, 08:34:21 PM » |
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Who are the ad wizards that picked that one for MNF?
The 15 minutes I watched felt sadistic and shameful.
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2007, 08:34:50 PM » |
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how would the penalty end the game, tirico, you *goshdarn* felchgobbling tool.
I thought games can end on offensive penalties but not on defensive penalties (unless declined). Offensive penalty in last two minutes which requires clock stoppage is supposed to be a ten second run-off. I assume this call qualifies. Why they declined I don't understand. Still a monumentally wonderful turn of phrase. |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2007, 08:39:32 PM » |
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how would the penalty end the game, tirico, you *goshdarn* felchgobbling tool.
I thought games can end on offensive penalties but not on defensive penalties (unless declined). Offensive penalty in last two minutes which requires clock stoppage is supposed to be a ten second run-off. I assume this call qualifies. Why they declined I don't understand. Still a monumentally wonderful turn of phrase. well, maybe I'm wrong , the officials are wrong, and tirico is right, but I didn't think it applied to penalties like illegal forward pass |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2007, 08:43:11 PM » |
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how would the penalty end the game, tirico, you *goshdarn* felchgobbling tool.
I thought games can end on offensive penalties but not on defensive penalties (unless declined). Offensive penalty in last two minutes which requires clock stoppage is supposed to be a ten second run-off. I assume this call qualifies. Why they declined I don't understand. Still a monumentally wonderful turn of phrase. well, maybe I'm wrong , the officials are wrong, and tirico is right, but I didn't think it applied to penalties like illegal forward pass You could be right but if not it should. Under five seconds left, you're running down the field and are definitely going to get nailed so you make an illegal forward pass to stop the clock and have another shot. That was very close to the scenario tonight (lacking the described intent maybe) and that's what the rule is meant to prevent. I imagine you're right since the officials and the coaching staff let it go but I don't understand why. |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2007, 08:44:22 PM » |
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how would the penalty end the game, tirico, you *goshdarn* felchgobbling tool.
I thought games can end on offensive penalties but not on defensive penalties (unless declined). Offensive penalty in last two minutes which requires clock stoppage is supposed to be a ten second run-off. I assume this call qualifies. Why they declined I don't understand. Still a monumentally wonderful turn of phrase. well, maybe I'm wrong , the officials are wrong, and tirico is right, but I didn't think it applied to penalties like illegal forward pass and if i'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, but i stand by my statement tirico is a clueless clown . he can't even remember broadcasting holmes' touchdowns a few weeks ago! |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2007, 08:45:29 PM » |
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Stipulated.  But wasn't he talking about Reed? |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2007, 08:46:23 PM » |
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did they actually decline hte penalty or did the officials confer and decide it was not a penalty ?
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2007, 08:48:10 PM » |
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did they actually decline hte penalty or did the officials confer and decide it was not a penalty ?
Declined. Explicitly, according to the ref. Would that have rolled the clock back? If so, why? That was crazy confusing. I hope it's in the blogs tomorrow. If you see something in the Burgh press please post. |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2007, 08:49:02 PM » |
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According to Wikipedia, the 10-second runoff applies only to the following penalties: Illegal procedure (except illegal formation) Delay of game Illegal touching Ineligible receiver down field Intentional grounding It does not apply to: OPI Illegal forward passHolding Illegal block in the back Clipping Blocking below the waist Tripping |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2007, 08:52:02 PM » |
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According to Wikipedia, the 10-second runoff applies only to the following penalties: Illegal procedure (except illegal formation) Delay of game Illegal touching Ineligible receiver down field Intentional grounding It does not apply to: OPI Illegal forward passHolding Illegal block in the back Clipping Blocking below the waist Tripping well, that's good enough for me. aske wins, tirico loses |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2007, 08:53:07 PM » |
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According to Wikipedia, the 10-second runoff applies only to the following penalties: Illegal procedure (except illegal formation) Delay of game Illegal touching Ineligible receiver down field Intentional grounding It does not apply to: OPI Illegal forward passHolding Illegal block in the back Clipping Blocking below the waist Tripping i will admit that's an odd breakdown, (as per uisce's post about breaking the rules just to stop the clock) |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2007, 08:53:43 PM » |
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Thanks gleek. But why? What's the philosophy? Biggest problem with American football is too many rules. In the NFL, if the fouls above (with the exception of "Illegal Formation") occur with less than a minute remaining in the half and the clock running, then a ten-second penalty is also assessed. The half automatically ends if the foul occurs with 10 seconds or less remaining to be played with the clock running. The 10-second penalty does not apply if the clock is stopped when the ball is set for play and will not start until the ball is snapped, or if a team elects to use one of their time outs in lieu of the 10-second runoff. A team wanting to run the clock out in a close game cannot intentionally false start and use the 10-second rule to their advantage, because the run-off rule only applies to a team that is either losing or tied. Since the enforcement of the 10-second runoff, only one NFL game ended automatically due to a false start with less than 10 seconds remaining (in 2005 between Arizona and St. Louis). A pre-season game in 2006 between Houston and Kansas City had the first half end automatically due to an intentional grounding foul with less than 10 seconds left. Leads me to believe illegal forward pass is meant to be included. Wikipedia not being authoritative I still wonder... |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #88 on: November 26, 2007, 08:55:49 PM » |
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Here's another angle to the question. If a team commits an illegal forward pass within 2 minutes with no timeouts, is there a 10-second runoff? If not, it seems like it could be abused to open up the middle of the field in the hurry-up offense to stop the clock and just lose 5 yards. --Kevin, King of Prussia, Penn.
There is no ten-second runoff for an illegal forward pass in the last two minutes of the half or the game, unless the pass is way beyond the line of scrimmage and being used to stop the clock. Because of this rule, teams cannot abuse the clock, gaining an unfair advantage. I don't know where that stipulation came from. |
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Re: Dolphins @ Steelers [SPOILERS]
« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2007, 08:57:12 PM » |
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Here's another angle to the question. If a team commits an illegal forward pass within 2 minutes with no timeouts, is there a 10-second runoff? If not, it seems like it could be abused to open up the middle of the field in the hurry-up offense to stop the clock and just lose 5 yards. --Kevin, King of Prussia, Penn.
There is no ten-second runoff for an illegal forward pass in the last two minutes of the half or the game, unless the pass is way beyond the line of scrimmage and being used to stop the clock. Because of this rule, teams cannot abuse the clock, gaining an unfair advantage. I don't know where that stipulation came from. interesting. and it (this case) was certianly just a poor lateral, not an intended clock stopper. |
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