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« on: January 09, 2008, 10:19:56 AM »

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LAUDERHILL - A 12-year-old Lauderhill boy is accused of first-degree murder after police said he beat a 17-month-old girl to death with a wooden baseball bat because she was crying while he was watching TV.

Lauderhill police said the boy was baby-sitting his 10-year-old brother and the toddler at the little girl's house in the 1500 block of Northwest 31st Way on Friday. The victim, Shaloh Joseph, died from multiple hits to the head, police said.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 10:24:24 AM »

outraged and incensed?
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 10:29:56 AM »

outraged and incensed?


More like sad for humanity.  Sad
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 10:37:24 AM »

That is so *fudge*ed up.

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 10:38:47 AM »

outraged and incensed?


More like sad for humanity.  Sad

alas, humanity is vastly overestimated, and always has been


here's just another example from today probably less painful but more prolonged.
http://cbs.sportsline.com...basketball/story/10567327
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 11:06:29 AM »

Great day for children everywhere.  Sad   Here are two stories from today's local paper. Sadness and despair indeed.

http://www.startribune.co...ocal/stpaul/13563916.html

St. Paul mom who locked kids in bedroom is charged
Police found feces smeared on the bedroom walls, no sheets on the beds and the woman's 2-year-old crying in a urine soaked diaper. Officers were called after a neighbor found the woman's 5-year-old daughter walking around the parking lot without shoes or a coat.

http://www.startribune.com/local/13558891.html

An Anoka man faces more than 10 years in prison when he is sentenced today for beating his girlfriend's newborn after the 5-pound boy came home from the hospital a year ago on New Year's Eve..........Cloutier, who is 6 feet tall and 220 pounds, initially claimed he tripped while carrying Carter Regnier and the boy hit his head on the floor. Another time he said that Carter's black eye was caused by a falling baby monitor. He later admitted losing his temper after the baby's continuous crying.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 11:15:47 AM »

Unbelievable.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 11:20:47 AM »

 Sad  *bunghole*s.

Question - Did this sort of stuff always happen but now in the interwebtubular era we just hear about each and every occurrence?  Or has the country/world completely gone down the *feces*ter in the past decade or two?
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 11:22:13 AM »

Sad  *bunghole*s.

Question - Did this sort of stuff always happen but now in the interwebtubular era we just hear about each and every occurrence?  Or has the country/world completely gone down the *feces*ter in the past decade or two?

I would say a little of both.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 11:33:26 AM »

ditto the fro
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2008, 12:02:45 PM »

Holy crap.  Most.depressing.thread.ever.

I just read about this one too.

Police: Dad Threw 4 Children Off Bridge
http://ap.google.com/arti...zhFlkZfLra35mVhAD8U2HDA80
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BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. (AP) A man angered after a dispute with his wife confessed to tossing his four young children off a bridge, authorities said Wednesday as they searched murky waters for the bodies.

Lam Luong, 37, who is charged with four counts of capital murder, told authorities Tuesday night that he drove to the Dauphin Island bridge and dropped the children from a span that reaches 80 feet in places, said Detective Scott Rivera.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2008, 01:19:08 PM »

outraged and incensed?
Not to get all P&R about things, but ... if a sane adult cannot restrain the desire/urge/impulse to kill an innocent and defenseless child, that adult has nothing to offer to a civilized world, IMO, and should not live after conviction.  I say that not to trivialize other heinous crimes, but to underscore how particularly repugnant I find homicide perpetrated against children and how irretrievable I find the perpetrator.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2008, 02:45:13 PM »

outraged and incensed?
Not to get all P&R about things, but ... if a sane adult cannot restrain the desire/urge/impulse to kill an innocent and defenseless child, that adult has nothing to offer to a civilized world, IMO, and should not live after conviction.  I say that not to trivialize other heinous crimes, but to underscore how particularly repugnant I find homicide perpetrated against children and how irretrievable I find the perpetrator.

Not that I disagree, but does the fact that the perp in the original story is a 12 year old change anything?
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2008, 05:47:43 PM »

Sure.  I was commenting more on the other stories linked in this thread.

I don't really know what goes into the decision whether to try a minor as an adult.  If he does get his trial as an adult, though, I would endorse life as the harshest penalty.  I just can't see a 12-year-old as being indistinguishable from an adult in a homicide context.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2008, 11:15:58 PM »

outraged and incensed?
Not to get all P&R about things, but ... if a sane adult cannot restrain the desire/urge/impulse to kill an innocent and defenseless child, that adult has nothing to offer to a civilized world, IMO, and should not live after conviction.  I say that not to trivialize other heinous crimes, but to underscore how particularly repugnant I find homicide perpetrated against children and how irretrievable I find the perpetrator.

I've spent a lot of time thinking about similar things over the last couple of decades; I lost a sister 20 years ago to a stalker ex-boyfriend - back before law enforcement was classifying anyone as a stalker.  In this case, he was convicted of first degree murder and received a sentence of life in prison.  At the time, this meant being first eligible for parole 17-1/2 years after incarceration.  A year later, the state of Minnesota changed the minimum time served to 30 years before parole eligibility.  Minnesota does not believe in the death penalty.

I'm not sure where I fall on the issue of the death penalty.  Death or life imprisonment?  I'm not really against the death penalty, save the fact that the stakes are pretty effing high.  I don't believe that it is acceptable for the state to kill someone wrongly accused.  What about for cases where there is no doubt about the offense and the offender?  Where do the lawyers draw that line?  Sorry in advance, Clive, if you have an answer to that one.

My sister was 17, a child to some, and certainly quite innocent.  To me, the relative innocence of the victim does not change my opinion much, though crimes against the truly innocent, young children as well as the aged, get my blood boiling.  Ultimately, to me, regardless of victim and circumstance, I would prefer that murderers never taste freedom again.  Period.  Whether this means the death penalty or life imprisonment does not matter so much to me.

First Degree, Second Degree,...  I don't care whether there was premeditation.  If a crime is classified as murder, the person does not breathe free air again.  Someone who commits murder has broken the cardinal rule of a civilized society: you don't kill someone.  The stakes are simply too high to let them into society again.  Feel badly for what the criminal has had to endure in their life.  Fine.  Try to help them.  Fine.  But don't let them out. 

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