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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2008, 04:44:03 PM » |
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I had to go through quite a lengthy set of images before I found one that was appropriate. All I can say is that I'm quite impressed.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2008, 05:07:20 PM » |
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Tilghman probably doesn't/didn't understand that the term "lynch" pretty much means to "kill" by hanging. As much as I would like to believe this I just don't. She's pretty close to my age. We know what it means. I can see Tilghman's comment as being an honest mistake, but if you're in broadcasting, your only job is to speak and to speak well. And in broadcasting or public speaking you have to train this little voice inside your head to say "Nah...I better not say that", and the voice has to react 1/1000 of a second before you engage your mouth, now sometimes it's not an easy voice to train, and sometimes we don't always listen to the voice, (see Imus, Fuzzy Zoeller, or Ben (boobs get in the way) Wright Well, the strongest likelihood that racist sentiment underlies the remark is when a white broadcaster says it in reference to a black athlete. And if a white male broadcaster or public speaker would have made this statement (or any racially charged statement) regarding Tiger or any athlete of color for that matter, that broadcaster would be fired the very next day (see examples above). I think she's getting a pass because she's a female, and also because she's a very pretty female in a male dominated profession. Then again I would like to get Teed's take on it, or anyone else in the African American community not named Sharpton or Jackson.
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Re: LOL
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2008, 05:22:26 PM » |
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Then again I would like to get Teed's take on it, or anyone else in the African American community not named Sharpton or Jackson.
That one guy named Woods has spoken out. Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. But yeah, I'd like to here what your average black man has to say. Being as I live in Utah and don't have Jazz tickets I think Teed might be the only chance I have. j/k. It's not quite that white bread here but if you take away HAFB personnel and college students you could go days, possibly weeks, without seeing a person of color.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2008, 05:27:39 PM » |
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Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. Well, he pretty much has to say that, it's part of taking the high road. Did he say that or did his "people" (meaning staff) say that? Besides he also said the Fuzzy Zoeller remark was just "Fuzzy being Fuzzy" and he laughed about it, how'd that work out for Fuzzy Zoeller?
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2008, 05:31:37 PM » |
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Then again I would like to get Teed's take on it, or anyone else in the African American community not named Sharpton or Jackson.
That one guy named Woods has spoken out. Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. But yeah, I'd like to here what your average black man has to say. Being as I live in Utah and don't have Jazz tickets I think Teed might be the only chance I have. j/k. It's not quite that white bread here but if you take away HAFB personnel and college students you could go days, possibly weeks, without seeing a person of color. Tiger said about the same thing after Zoeller's remarks. Perhaps he's not so in touch with his black heritage. He is, after all, only 1/4 black. Maybe he'll react differently if somebody makes an offensive comment about Asians.
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2008, 05:37:42 PM » |
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Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. Well, he pretty much has to say that, it's part of taking the high road. Did he say that or did his "people" (meaning staff) say that? Besides he also said the Fuzzy Zoeller remark was just "Fuzzy being Fuzzy" and he laughed about it, how'd that work out for Fuzzy Zoeller? Yup. It's part of protecting your endorsement deals. Sponsors don't want to see any prolonged controversy whether the athlete is the cause of the controversy or not. The quicker the controversy dies, the better.
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2008, 05:38:29 PM » |
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Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. Well, he pretty much has to say that, it's part of taking the high road. Did he say that or did his "people" (meaning staff) say that? Well, I believe he believes it. Something tells me he doesn't get wrapped around an axle over a honest mistake (by a friend no less.) It strikes me that if he thought the statement was truly vicious he'd have something fairly strong to say about it. I'm not saying it wasn't a dumbass thing to say but given what we know about Tilghman I doubt she used the word in the way Sharpton makes out. Once again, my outraged and incensed meter is barely fluttering. Poverty, famine, AIDS and genocide in Africa/elsewhere - these are the things Sharpton should focus on when it comes to the plight of the black man. I'd support him with my heart and my wallet assuming I could get past my notion that he's a power/money grubbing bastard. People aren't racist because they utter one bad word nor if they hear it. I doubt thousands flipped over and became haters due to Tilghman's statement. Should it be minimized to the point of eradication? Sure, why not, but calling for someone's head just makes people resent you and your message. Sharpton's a clown and this goes toward proof.
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Re: LOL
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2008, 05:45:11 PM » |
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The goose and the gander surrender. Or in this discussion is it the gander and the goose?
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2008, 05:52:11 PM » |
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Something about "it's a non-issue" I think. Well, he pretty much has to say that, it's part of taking the high road. Did he say that or did his "people" (meaning staff) say that? Well, I believe he believes it. Something tells me he doesn't get wrapped around an axle over a honest mistake (by a friend no less.) It strikes me that if he thought the statement was truly vicious he'd have something fairly strong to say about it. I'm not saying it wasn't a dumbass thing to say but given what we know about Tilghman I doubt she used the word in the way Sharpton makes out. Once again, my outraged and incensed meter is barely fluttering. Poverty, famine, AIDS and genocide in Africa/elsewhere - these are the things Sharpton should focus on when it comes to the plight of the black man. I'd support him with my heart and my wallet assuming I could get past my notion that he's a power/money grubbing bastard. People aren't racist because they utter one bad word nor if they hear it. I doubt thousands flipped over and became haters due to Tilghman's statement. Should it be minimized to the point of eradication? Sure, why not, but calling for someone's head just makes people resent you and your message. Sharpton's a clown and this goes toward proof. But the comment does shed some light on her level of intelligence or knowledge of history. Although I don't hate her for what she said, my opinion of her has gone down.
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Re: LOL
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2008, 06:08:02 PM » |
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Maybe he'll react differently if somebody makes an offensive comment about Asians.
Does and has. I've seen him react (most notably after winning the '97 Masters) to what he perceived a lack of respect toward his Asian heritage, by calling him a black golfer.
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2008, 06:20:54 PM » |
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But the comment does shed some light on her level of intelligence or knowledge of history. Although I don't hate her for what she said, my opinion of her has gone down.
That's cool. We're all entitled to our opinion. I guess it depends where we come from / where we stand. For me, the word 'lynch' doesn't conjure up mental images of blacks hanging from trees. It's not in my vernacular and I promise you, had I had heard it live, it wouldn't have registered in that context. No chance at all. Perspective. The word 'boycott' comes from my heritage. I know what it means and what it represented but when someone uses it I don't draw the parallel. I understand being *fudge*ed out of owning your own land and being strung up to die are different. I'm just saying the "well, I never!!!" connection isn't made for me when someone uses either word. If we step back from this issue and have it look I think we see that it's not defcon-4. I think if all the Hos got in a room together we could list 999 things that are more harmful to black America than the unfortunate use of a word with a historical context by a golf commentator. But for a week in January 2008 those other things will get little to no attention. That's shameful IMO.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2008, 06:35:48 PM » |
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I would be really afraid if we got all Hos together in a room. Especially if Clive has his "game on".
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2008, 07:01:25 PM » |
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But the comment does shed some light on her level of intelligence or knowledge of history. Although I don't hate her for what she said, my opinion of her has gone down.
That's cool. We're all entitled to our opinion. I guess it depends where we come from / where we stand. For me, the word 'lynch' doesn't conjure up mental images of blacks hanging from trees. It's not in my vernacular and I promise you, had I had heard it live, it wouldn't have registered in that context. No chance at all. Perspective. The word 'boycott' comes from my heritage. I know what it means and what it represented but when someone uses it I don't draw the parallel. I understand being *fudge*ed out of owning your own land and being strung up to die are different. I'm just saying the "well, I never!!!" connection isn't made for me when someone uses either word. In your mind, what is the difference between the 19th century definition and the 20th/21st century definition of the word "boycott"? And what is the difference between the 19th century definition and the 20th/21st century definition of the word "lynch"? If we step back from this issue and have it look I think we see that it's not defcon-4. I think if all the Hos got in a room together we could list 999 things that are more harmful to black America than the unfortunate use of a word with a historical context by a golf commentator. But for a week in January 2008 those other things will get little to no attention. That's shameful IMO.
But sweeping issue #1000 under the rug like it never happened doesn't make the other 999 go away.
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