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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 10:38:36 AM »

I don't know. I think the so-called "Tiger" effect actually kept a few courses open (plus built more) and accessible that would've closed or been developed without the increased popularity.

If accessible golf dies it will be because of increasing costs as you cite. I just don't see the average hacker consistently paying $50+ for a round of golf and we're getting very close to that at most courses on the weekends.
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 12:18:40 PM »

Golf economics are all twisted up...they don't make any sense.

I spent(d) a lot of money to join a club to play more, since I wasn't playing hardly any as a daily fee guy.  Now, because I'm a club member, I play when I can, and it probably comes to ~40-50 rounds per year on average.  Which is nice.

But my damn club is now costing me about $1500 per month on average....I think the basic dues add up to ~$600 month, and then we have expenses on top of that, bar, food, proshop, etc...

If I add the $35K initiation fee, I think I could easily justify a (remaining) lifetime of twice per week $200 daily greens fees plus a monthly trip to Pebble Beach, and come out well ahead financially than what it costs me to be a club member.  Shocked Shocked Shocked

But I'd never play that much golf if I was a daily fee player.



 
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 12:25:05 PM »

Did/does your membership come with stock in the club, and or is transferable in the future?
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 12:44:40 PM »

Golf economics are all twisted up...they don't make any sense.

I spent(d) a lot of money to join a club to play more, since I wasn't playing hardly any as a daily fee guy.  Now, because I'm a club member, I play when I can, and it probably comes to ~40-50 rounds per year on average.  Which is nice.

But my damn club is now costing me about $1500 per month on average....I think the basic dues add up to ~$600 month, and then we have expenses on top of that, bar, food, proshop, etc...

If I add the $35K initiation fee, I think I could easily justify a (remaining) lifetime of twice per week $200 daily greens fees plus a monthly trip to Pebble Beach, and come out well ahead financially than what it costs me to be a club member.  Shocked Shocked Shocked

But I'd never play that much golf if I was a daily fee player.



 

Damn! that's really *goshdarn* expensive.

For that kind of money I'd expect there to be Bikini clad caddies who'd give you a blow job for each birdie you made, in addition to the ones given after 9 and 18.. Cool

My club has none of that.

I expect that's why I'm only paying $800 a year.... Shocked
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 12:56:08 PM »

There are two private clubs within reasonable distance of my house.  Neither is remotely feasible for anyone short of pretty well off.

From what I can tell this sort of pricing structure is a uniquely (North) American phenomenon.  I don't get it either.   Scratches Head
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2008, 03:39:14 PM »

Aske,

I'm just about 165 miles northeast of you.  If you want to take a couple days off, and play some nice (not excellent, but nice) courses at +/- 35 bucks with a cart, let me know.
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2008, 06:28:56 PM »

I'm still finding it reasonable for me, but I'm not the norm.  I'm single - which means I have both time and money that most guys my age do not.  If I had kids, its unlikely I'd be a private club member or play quite the amount of golf I do.  But for me, it would not be a financial decision, but a time decision.

Money does play a factor, but since when is this a new problem?  Golf has always had its costs.  While costs are always a concern, golf is largely suffering from a competition problem - competition for time.  The number of activities we can get involved in and the number of choices on how to spend our time is ever increasing.  Can golf compete?  Surely it can hold its own, but the days of expecting large increases in players are likely gone.

Tonight for instance:  do I catch up on a few recorded tv shows, clean up the house (which could use a bit of cleaning), have a few drinks and post all night, do some reading, or.... well.... tickle the pickle.  Decisions, decision.  Don't Know  Wink

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2008, 04:35:38 AM »


Tonight for instance:  do I catch up on a few recorded tv shows, clean up the house (which could use a bit of cleaning), have a few drinks and post all night, do some reading, or.... well.... tickle the pickle.  Decisions, decision.  Don't Know  Wink


See, now if you were married it would look more like this:
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Tonight for instance:  do I catch up on a few recorded tv shows, clean up the house (because she says I have to), have a few drinks and maybe post a little, listen to my wife complain, or fix whatever she broke today. At least later after she is asleep I can tickle the pickle.  Decisions, decision.  Don't Know  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2008, 06:05:11 AM »

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Surveys sponsored by the foundation have asked players what keeps them away. “The answer is usually economic,” Mr. Kass said. “No time. Two jobs. Real wages not going up. Pensions going away. Corporate cutbacks in country club memberships — all that doom and gloom stuff.”
I remember another article that talked about this. Even though the market was going up, people still felt an underlying unease. Wage increases have been small these past 7 years. It's not like in the 90's where people were spending because we were making lots of money.

Having kids, working overtime, spending time with friends, that is where my time is. I suppose if I had a friend that played golf I might play a little more then about once a month. Golf just doesn't rank that high on my to do list anymore, and it's not because I don't like to play. 4 to 5 hours is tough to justify anymore. 
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2008, 07:14:17 AM »



Having kids,(family) ..........4 to 5 hours is tough to justify anymore. 

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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2008, 07:48:10 AM »

Like Jessie Spano said, "there isn't any time".  I try and play a few times a month but it is hard to leave the house for that long.  My wife is pretty cool about even.  But she is in school on Saturday so Sunday is the only day we have as a family.  When it stays ligher for longer after work, I can play after taking off work a little early.  Money isn't the issue as much is the family by far.  And I pretty much eat, sleep and breath golf come springtime.  I'd play every day if I could.  It is all just a balancing act pretty much.  P
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2008, 06:26:05 PM »

For that kind of money I'd expect there to be Bikini clad caddies who'd give you a blow job for each birdie you made, in addition to the ones given after 9 and 18.. Cool

My club has none of that.
Well, at least one club in Australia does:

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2008, 09:07:49 PM »

Did/does your membership come with stock in the club, and or is transferable in the future?

No

But it's a very, very, very nice club and a great golf course to play.  It's a lot nicer than that car I didn't buy would be today when I decided to spend my money on that golf club membership instead.

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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2008, 08:00:56 PM »

I haven't played in a year.  Combination of time and money.


A round with friends used to take up most of the day:
0.5+ hours to course
45 minutes - range, putting practice, checking in
5.5 hour round
1 hour afterwards in the clubhouse (losers buy food/drinks)
0.5+ hours back


I used to go solo super-early or very late, which only took a couple of hours, but it wasn't as much fun.
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Re: saw this interesting article about golf at the 'other place'
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2008, 08:10:43 PM »

I haven't played in a year.  Combination of time and money.


A round with friends used to take up most of the day:
0.5+ hours to course
45 minutes - range, putting practice, checking in
5.5 hour round
1 hour afterwards in the clubhouse (losers buy food/drinks)
0.5+ hours back


I used to go solo super-early or very late, which only took a couple of hours, but it wasn't as much fun.


looks like you've got about 4-5 months to get some rounds in.  you won't be seeing that kind of time or $ again for 18 years
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