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« on: March 06, 2008, 07:00:00 AM »

Microsoft acting responsibly re: standards?   Shocked Shocked Shocked

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/...y-principles-and-ie8.aspx

I'm sure they'll still find a way to piss off every web developer short of those nimrods wearing .NET t-shirts.  But one hopes...
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 07:45:43 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 08:14:49 AM »

If it weren't for Microsoft's NOT following standards, we wouldn't have the highly-interactive web applications like Google Maps today. People like to bash IE for its security issues and quirky rendering, but they rarely, if ever, acknowledge that technologies that turned the web browser into a platform for a rich user experience (such as XHR and IFRAMEs, which are now W3C standards) were originally Microsoft innovations.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 08:27:54 AM »

"Microsoft innovation." Is that kind of like "random order"?
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 05:19:40 PM »

IFRAMEs are super lame.  Sites using IRAMEs should be outlawed or at least mocked mercilessly.  XHR is fine.  I didn't know it was a MS initiative.  Blind squirrel... nut...  yada yada.

Having said that, I have no problem with EXTENSIONS to the standard.  I have a problem with blatantly thumbing your nose at existing standards (IE and CSS 2.0 is my personal pet peeve given I've invested countless non-billable hours in working around its monumental shortcomings.)

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If it weren't for Microsoft's NOT following standards, we wouldn't have the highly-interactive web applications like Google Maps today.

I can't believe you believe that.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 05:38:45 PM »

IFRAMEs are super lame.  Sites using IRAMEs should be outlawed or at least mocked mercilessly. 
Have you ever used GMail, Yahoo Mail, or virtually any web app with rich text editing features? They're all based on IFRAMEs.

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XHR is fine.  I didn't know it was a MS initiative.  Blind squirrel... nut...  yada yada.

Having said that, I have no problem with EXTENSIONS to the standard.  I have a problem with blatantly thumbing your nose at existing standards (IE and CSS 2.0 is my personal pet peeve given I've invested countless non-billable hours in working around its monumental shortcomings.)

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If it weren't for Microsoft's NOT following standards, we wouldn't have the highly-interactive web applications like Google Maps today.

I can't believe you believe that.

I believe that because XHR is the de facto method of making asynchronous calls over http, and it's the method employed by Google Maps. I highly doubt we'd even have something as powerful as Google Maps if the only available technologies were Adobe Flash Player or Java applets. If you want to talk about lame, "interactive" sites built on Adobe Flash are lame.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 06:05:22 PM »

Has this been confirmed by techdirt?
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 06:06:22 PM »

techdirt is for retards.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 06:06:33 PM »

Where would we be without web-based rich text editing?

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Like I said, nothing against XHR.  But if it didn't exist I think the vacuum would have been filled somehow and we'd have the highly-interactive web applications like Google Maps today.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2008, 06:11:28 PM »

.........I think the vacuum would have been filled somehow.

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2008, 06:13:08 PM »

.........I think the vacuum would have been filled somehow.



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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 06:19:44 PM »

Is it just me, or is that thing kinda hot?
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2008, 06:41:20 PM »

Is it just me, or is that thing kinda hot?

one guy thought so. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2008, 08:20:38 PM »

Who is the guy in the back ground (you can see his legs). Grin Grin Grin Grin
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