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American engineering. [Mini-Rant]
« on: May 26, 2008, 07:30:20 PM »

Let's say you were designing a motorcycle. You're looking for things (electronics, for example) to hide, in order to make the bike aesthetically pleasing. Among the places you have to hide things are: under the seat which is removed with one screw, behind two side covers both of which remove with a single allen bolt, and under the fairing, access to which requires at minimum removal of the headlight (which will need to be re-aimed upon re-installation) and can potentially involve removal of running lights and a number of hard to access locking nuts (through a 7" diameter hole and nowhere near enough room to maneuver or operate a ratchet wrench).  Some of the items you must conceal include: the ECM for the fuel-injector, electronic cruise control module, and a fuse box. Of these three items, which makes the most sense to place in an easy to access spot (under the seat, behind a side cover, etc), and which makes the least sense to place inside the fairing? (Hint: they're the same item.)

Now, take a wild guess what is involved in changing a fuse on my motorcycle. Now how easily accessible do you suppose are the FI ECM and the cruise control module, neither of which are easily serviceable by the average consumer?

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 07:32:25 PM »

real motorcycles don't have fairings.  Devil
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 07:37:38 PM »

real motorcycles don't have fairings.  Devil
So you're saying I should have bought that Suzuki I was considering?
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 07:41:12 PM »

these days any manufacturer builds everything so that it is not easily serviced by the consumer. it's how the dealers make their money.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 07:42:07 PM »

real motorcycles don't have fairings.  Devil
So you're saying I should have bought that Suzuki I was considering?

something in a soft tail is more like it.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 07:51:11 PM »

these days any manufacturer builds everything so that it is not easily serviced by the consumer. it's how the dealers make their money.  Wink

I realize that, but taking it to the dealer over a fuse seems extreme. Maybe it's just me.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 07:03:57 AM »

Two blown fuses.  One bike.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 07:26:34 AM »

do you have the factory repair manual for your bike? well worth the money. you can pick them up on ebay sometimes and they are a real time saver. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 07:44:40 AM »

do you have the factory repair manual for your bike? well worth the money. you can pick them up on ebay sometimes and they are a real time saver. Wink

I've got the Clymer manual, but it sort of blows because it's for MYs 1985-1999, so there's a lot of "your model may vary" in there.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 07:47:21 AM »

Consider weather protection.  The ECM is a sealed unit, whereas the fuse box is open, by and large.  I'll ignore the cruise control module -- good God, man, it's a MOTORCYCLE, not a Coupe de Ville.

My fuses are under the seat, which is removed with a quarter-turn of the key.  The ECM is under the tank = PITA to access.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 07:52:28 AM »

I'll ignore the cruise control module -- good God, man, it's a MOTORCYCLE, not a Coupe de Ville.

If it makes any difference, I've never turned it on and I'm not even certain it works. If I had any confidence I could remove it without messing up the electronics, I'd sell it on ebay tomorrow.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2008, 08:02:25 AM »

I'm not convinced that loud pipes do in fact save lives.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008, 08:06:09 AM »

I'm not convinced that loud pipes do in fact save lives.
I believe, in fact, they do not.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 08:06:47 AM »

I'll ignore the cruise control module -- good God, man, it's a MOTORCYCLE, not a Coupe de Ville.

If it makes any difference, I've never turned it on and I'm not even certain it works. If I had any confidence I could remove it without messing up the electronics, I'd sell it on ebay tomorrow.
Sure you would.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 08:07:28 AM »

I'm not convinced that loud pipes do in fact save lives.

my vote is no. Sad
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