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Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« on: April 18, 2007, 12:33:43 PM » |
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Uisce Beatha
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 12:48:38 PM » |
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One of my favorite golf subjects.
Two majors with high teens in victories gets you in - barely. Strange didn't exactly run away with it and Green needed help.
What about one major with 15 tour wins (Couples and Pavin)?
What about two majors with only 5 tour wins (Daly)?
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 02:55:24 PM » |
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Olazabal with two majors, six US wins, 22 Euro wins. Hmmmmmmm.
Davis Love with one major and 19 wins. Hmmmmmmm.
I say no to single major winners. How can they be the best of the best? Dual major winners are a tough call. No to Daly. I'd probably say no to Olazabal too but if Strange can get in then he deserves it too. Especially with his Ryder Cup records.
HOFs should be for those who are clearly among the greatest of their generation.
No takers on this? I can go for hours on this subject.
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 03:29:41 PM » |
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I think it would be nice if everyone could get in. Then no one's feelings would get hurt.
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 03:45:25 PM » |
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I think it would be nice if everyone could get in. Then no one's feelings would get hurt.
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 03:46:12 PM » |
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I think it would be nice if everyone could get in. Then no one's feelings would get hurt.
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 04:16:55 PM » |
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I think it would be nice if everyone could get in. Then no one's feelings would get hurt.
lmao I think the NHL hof is like that,except they hate Paul Henderson becuase of his religious beliefs. How about electing guys who are still playing?  |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 04:59:25 PM » |
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How about electing guys who are still playing? Yay Zoot. Engage. Golf is a life-long sport. Pros can earn a fantastic living playing right up into their sixties. I think the Golf HOF almost has the right idea. Eligible at 40 but I think it should be 50. That has a nice synergy what with the Senior Tour eligibility at the same number. The ladies on the other hand only have to be, I think, 21 or so.  |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2007, 10:31:36 AM » |
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HOFs should be for those who are clearly among the greatest of their generation. That's why I've always liked the Women's Golf Hall of Fame criteria for entrance, I know they've tweaked it a bit, but it still may be the hardest HOF to get into, and it (they) should be. The ladies on the other hand only have to be, I think, 21 or so. They changed it: Entrance to the LPGA Tour Hall of Fame is limited to LPGA Tour members who meet the following criteria:
1. Must be/have been an "active" LPGA Tour member for 10 years:
2. Must have won/been awarded at least one of the following - an LPGA major championship, the Vare Trophy or Rolex Player of the Year honors; and
3. Must have accumulated a total of 27 points, which are awarded as follows - one point for each LPGA official tournament win, two points for each LPGA major tournament win and one point for each Vare Trophy or Rolex Player of the Year honor earned.
Annika just made it in 2003 and Karrie Webb was just this year I think. And the more I think about it having 1 major and 19 wins is good enough for me (see also Tom Kite), Freddy and Corey on the other hand, boy I don't know I guess no for me, is Lanny in with 21 wins and 1 major? So where is the line? And shouldn't the European wins count? I would vote Jose-Maria in without considering his Ryder Cup performances. And if you're not counting Euro wins then Seve may not make it in because he has only 9 official PGA tour wins, sure 5 of them were majors but again where is the line? |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2007, 09:08:31 AM » |
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The Hall of Fame should represent a standard of excellence, not popularity. That's why most sports' HOFs have controversies accompanying a lot of the members selections. We could go through any Hall of Fame and come up with arguments why some of the inductees don't belong there, and why some players who aren't in should be. I agree there are flaws, but I shrug my shoulders and say "what the hell".  In any event, I always liked Hubie Green as a player. If nothing else, his short game was HOF calibre.  |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2007, 01:33:48 PM » |
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The Hall of Fame should represent a standard of excellence, not popularity. That's why most sports' HOFs have controversies accompanying a lot of the members selections. We could go through any Hall of Fame and come up with arguments why some of the inductees don't belong there, and why some players who aren't in should be. I agree there are flaws, but I shrug my shoulders and say "what the hell". Absolutely Dunk. That's why I love these discussions. Everybody's right, nobody's wrong. Purely subjective and should remain that way. HOFs might be the absolutely perfect fodder for a few hours over pints. 'Specially if you don't give a *feces* about Barry Bonds one way or the other.  My opinion, in one sentence, is that admittance standards for the WGHOF are too lax. But I respect your right to buy me a beer and disagree.  |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2007, 01:44:57 PM » |
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Seamie, It's the World Golf HOF so absolutely the Europeans are involved. They have a points based criteria like the ladies though. I guess that's fine for minimums but I generally don't like the idea. Seve's already in.As we consider majors, wins and so forth we always run into one guy who changes the discussion - Monty. |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2007, 06:58:01 AM » |
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This round's on me. For what it's worth, I don't like Bonds and I'd just as soon not see him in the HOF. If I was a sports writer I wouldn't vote for him on the basis of his obvious steroid use. However I expect it'll be damned near impossible to not vote for him by the time his career is over. As far as Colin Montgomerie is concerned, he's a lock for the HOF. He has more than double the required points to enter the Hall. Majors notwithstanding, he was the dominant player in Europe for over a decade. His stats can't be ignored: 34 wins, 8 Order of Merits (including 7 in a row), 5 POTY. Pretty impressive. |
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2007, 09:15:30 AM » |
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I have to get in and check the Halls requirements for entry, I had fun yesterday with the link Uisce sent just reading the plaques, Old Tom, Young Tom, Alan Robertson et al.
I tried to play point counter point with Uisce.
But he refuses to just say "Seamie you ignorant *trollop*".
My .02 cents...Monty's in w/o winning a major, point system or not.
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Re: Strange, Green make Golf Hall of Fame
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2007, 12:45:56 PM » |
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But he refuses to just say "Seamie you ignorant *trollop*".
My .02 cents...Monty's in w/o winning a major, point system or not.
Seamie you ignorant *trollop*. And yes, I agree. Monty's in no matter what. |
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