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Hey, Viqueens fans!
« on: March 16, 2009, 09:39:17 PM »

Peterson for Cutler, straight up. Whatcha think?
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 05:11:22 AM »

Can't do it.  Peterson is exactly what we need to open the deep threat.  However we have no mechanism to realize the deep threat, so we need Peterson.  However they scheme that, and put 10 men in the box.  However we know that and scheme for it, so we attempt a short screen to the left.  However they scheme that, and put 1/2 a guy on McKinney, and he's done.  Revolving door is what we like to call him. Ole`!  Then the Q.B. gets destroyed.  However he schemes for that, and just throws it to the other team.  ProBowl defense takes over.


Chester Taylor and a this years number 1.  Next year's 1 will be way too high a pick.   Grin
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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 06:34:52 AM »

Makes no sense, and more importantly the Vikings brain trust would never consider it for many reasons*. Cutler is talented, and would be a monstrous upgrade, but he's a head case.

It's going to have to be a 3-way trade if the Vikes are involved because Denver will need a QB. I guarantee the Vikes are talking to the Donkeys though.



*Zygi is amping up his push for a new stadium. Peterson is beloved by the rubes/base that he needs.

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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 07:01:20 AM »

Horrible trade.  Cutler is a tool and AD is the best running back in the game.  Now getting cutler and keeping AD would be great for them.  Not so great for the rest of the division, specifically the Green Bay Packers. 
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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 08:06:13 AM »

A good QB with adequate skill players to go along with a good defense can win championships. A great RB with lousy QB will go nowhere, and odds are Peterson, like most RBs with his injury history, will be out of football after a 5-6 year career.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 08:08:52 AM »


 will be out of football after a 5-6 year career.


That's an awfully strong assumption that he'll
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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 08:49:07 PM »

Most.Stupid.Trade.Ever.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 09:08:34 PM »

Most.Stupid.Trade.Ever.

My dear boy, the Queens have already made the stupidest trade ever 20 years ago.

This one would be genius in comparison.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2009, 07:01:44 AM »

This one would be genius in comparison.

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Player                         Att    Comp   Yds    Comp %    Yds/Att    TD    TD %    INT    INT %    Rating
Jackson + Frerotte Combined    450    266    3213   59.1      7.1        21    4.6     17      3.7     80.9
Jay Cutler                     616    384    4526   62.3      7.3        25    4.1     18      2.9     86.0

So you're saying the best RB in the game is only worth: 1,313 yards, 4 TDs (.5 worse TD %), 1 more INT, and a 5.1 point upgrade in QB rating? Considering Cutler's 166 extra attempts it's even less impressive and definitely not worth the best RB in the game. Most.Stupid.Trade.Ever.
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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 07:11:49 AM »

Most.Stupid.Trade.Ever.

My dear boy, the Queens have already made the stupidest trade ever 20 years ago.



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Re: Hey, Viqueens fans!
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2009, 09:51:23 AM »

Whatcha think?

I think not. Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2009, 10:42:08 AM »

This one would be genius in comparison.

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Player                         Att    Comp   Yds    Comp %    Yds/Att    TD    TD %    INT    INT %    Rating
Jackson + Frerotte Combined    450    266    3213   59.1      7.1        21    4.6     17      3.7     80.9
Jay Cutler                     616    384    4526   62.3      7.3        25    4.1     18      2.9     86.0

So you're saying the best RB in the game is only worth: 1,313 yards, 4 TDs (.5 worse TD %), 1 more INT, and a 5.1 point upgrade in QB rating? Considering Cutler's 166 extra attempts it's even less impressive and definitely not worth the best RB in the game. Most.Stupid.Trade.Ever.

First of all, Peterson is NOT the best RB in the game. Sure, he led in yardage, but look at the stats. There's very little difference in yardage between Peterson and the 2nd highest RB. But look at the other stats. There are 7 RBs that were within .1 yard/carry or better than his 4.8 ypc average, and 3 that absolutely destroyed his 4.8 ypc average. Shall I go on? There are 7 RBs that scored more touchdowns--and that's just rushing touchdowns. How many receiving TDs did Peterson score? A big fat goose egg, and I don't even have to mention his 9 fumbles.

Second, you're not giving up the supposed "best RB in the game" for the 1300 yard/4 TD improvement. You need to compare the potential drop off between Peterson's and Taylor's performance for the potential improvement at QB. Put this in perspective. The 1300 yard improvement in passing is, by itself, 70% of the yardage Peterson accounted for. So how much of a drop-off would there be with Taylor at starter? Taylor scored 4 TDs in limited action and his 4.0 ypc isn't bad. I'm sure his numbers would greatly improve as a starter and with a better passing QB in the line-up.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2009, 05:45:47 PM »

First of all, Peterson is NOT the best RB in the game.

Yes he is, and it's hands down. Cool


Sure, he led in yardage, but look at the stats. There's very little difference in yardage between Peterson and the 2nd highest RB.

Doesn't change that 1st >>> 2nd. There are no "Almost Lead the League in Rushing" awards.


But look at the other stats. There are 7 RBs that were within .1 yard/carry or better than his 4.8 ypc average, and 3 that absolutely destroyed his 4.8 ypc average.

Out of those 7, only 4 were .1 or more better. Derrick Ward's NFL leading 5.6 YPC still only ties AD's YPC from his rookie year (in 2007), so that proves nothing except when AD averaged 5.6 YPC he had 316 more yards and 11 more TD's.

The only 4 with higher YPC:
Derrick Ward: 5.6 YPC, 735 yards less than AD in 2008
DeAngelo Williams: 5.5 YPC, 245 yards less than AD in 2008
Brandon Jacobs: 5.0 YPC, 671 yards less than AD in 2008
Chris Johnson: 4.9 YPC, 532 yards less than AD in 2008

And since when does .2 = "absolutely destroyed"? lol, I'm going to have to remember that one.


Shall I go on?

Might as well, you struck out on all your other points. Wink


There are 7 RBs that scored more touchdowns--and that's just rushing touchdowns. How many receiving TDs did Peterson score? A big fat goose egg ...

Taylor is our 3rd down and receiving back. When you have 2 quality backs, you have to get both involved in the offence.


...and I don't even have to mention his 9 fumbles.

Of which he only *lost* 4, which puts him at 6th in the league.


Put this in perspective. The 1300 yard improvement in passing is, by itself, 70% of the yardage Peterson accounted for. So how much of a drop-off would there be with Taylor at starter? Taylor scored 4 TDs in limited action and his 4.0 ypc isn't bad. I'm sure his numbers would greatly improve as a starter and with a better passing QB in the line-up.

That's all based on the assumption that he would have 616 pass attempts, which would break the Vikings all time season record of 606. The most pass attempts Culpepper (3 time Pro-Bowler) had with the Vike's was 548 and 549, and that's when they were extremely pass-happy and had Moss to throw to. What makes you think that, if they had Cutler, they would be attempting 616 passes and get all the extra yards?

If you average out Cutler's stats to the amount of times the Vikes passed, his stats look even worse:

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Player                           Att    Comp   Yds    Comp %    Yds/Att    TD    TD %    INT    INT %    Rating
Jackson + Frerotte Combined      450    266    3213   59.1      7.1        21    4.6     17      3.7     80.9
Jay Cutler (Same Attempts)       450    280    3306   62.3      7.3        18    4.1     13      2.9     85.8

Then the best RB in the game becomes worth only: 93 yards, 3 less TDs (.5 worse TD %), and a 4.9 point upgrade in QB rating.


Or even if he had the same amount of pass attempts as Daunte's career best with the Vikes:
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Player                                  Att    Comp   Yds    Comp %    Yds/Att    TD    TD %    INT    INT %    Rating
Jackson + Frerotte Combined             450    266    3213   59.1      7.1        21    4.6     17      3.7     80.9
Jay Cutler (most attempts Daunte had)   549    342    4034   62.3      7.3        22    4.1     16      2.9     85.8

Then the best RB in the game becomes worth only: 821 yards, 1 more TD (.5 worse TD %), and a 4.9 point upgrade in QB rating.


There are 7 RBs that were within .1 yard/carry or better than his 4.8 ypc average, and 3 that absolutely destroyed his 4.8 ypc average.
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Taylor scored 4 TDs in limited action and his 4.0 ypc isn't bad.

Inconsistency surrenders! So, AD can lead the league in yards, yards a game, 20+ yard runs, and finnish 2nd in 40+ yard runs, 1st downs, attempts, attempts a game, but because he has a very respectable average of 4.8 (5th best in the league), he's not the best, yet his backup's 4.0 YPC "isn't bad".


BTW, in your pointing out of players that lead the league in separate stats (as none of *them* beat *AD* in every listed stat either) you "neglected" to name who you think is the best.
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