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Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« on: December 21, 2009, 09:12:44 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 09:14:50 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce



on a scale of 1-10

Amount of bureaucracy
PS  8
GBT 7
ACA 4


Competency of workforce
PS  4
GBT 7
ACA  5
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2009, 09:18:43 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce



on a scale of 1-10

Amount of bureaucracy
PS  8
GBT 7
ACA 4


Competency of workforce
PS  4
GBT 7
ACA  5

Why was this even posted?

No offense but shouldn't you have some experience in all 3 to comment?

I'm not going to comment further other than to say bull*feces*.  Undecided
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 09:19:53 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce



on a scale of 1-10

Amount of bureaucracy
PS  8
GBT 7
ACA 4


Competency of workforce
PS  4
GBT 7
ACA  5

Why was this even posted?

No offense but shouldn't you have some experience in all 3 to comment?

I'm not going to comment further other than to say bull*feces*.  Undecided


you might disagree, but I *DO* have research experience (albeit, unequal time) in all 3 "sectors"
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 09:25:45 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce



on a scale of 1-10

Amount of bureaucracy
PS  8
GBT 7
ACA 4


Competency of workforce
PS  4
GBT 7
ACA  5

Why was this even posted?

No offense but shouldn't you have some experience in all 3 to comment?

I'm not going to comment further other than to say bull*feces*.  Undecided
I posted this because I figured that he had *some* experience in the private sector--summer internship or whatnot.
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 09:29:40 PM »

In terms of:

Amount of bureaucracy
Competency of workforce



on a scale of 1-10

Amount of bureaucracy
PS  8
GBT 7
ACA 4


Competency of workforce
PS  4
GBT 7
ACA  5

Why was this even posted?

No offense but shouldn't you have some experience in all 3 to comment?

I'm not going to comment further other than to say bull*feces*.  Undecided


you might disagree, but I *DO* have research experience (albeit, unequal time) in all 3 "sectors"


I do disagree.

Sorry. You simply don't have the experience in the private sector. You've made it clear over the years how much you disdain private industry. I don't believe you can be objective. Sorry.

To be honest I'm not sure how anyone can answer these questions. For every example one picks I guarantee I can refute or find a better example somewhere else.

But my experience in the the three areas:

Bureaucracy: Gubmint and PUBLIC company - tied for worst. However, small public companies aren't close to large publics.
Competency of workforce: Overall, private sector. No question.

Private companies: Hands down kick the ass of Gubmint, Academia and public companies in these areas. From my experience.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2009, 09:34:32 PM »

There's a shock: Aske doesn't believe that the private sector is terribly efficient!

Whatever could have lead you to that belief? You didn't actually start looking at numbers and *feces*, did you?

Math has a well know Librul Bias!
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 09:39:26 PM »

There's a shock: Aske doesn't believe that the private sector is terribly efficient!

Whatever could have lead you to that belief? You didn't actually start looking at numbers and *feces*, did you?

Math has a well know Librul Bias!

You've got to be *goshdarn* kidding me. Do you honestly believe Aske, or you, or gleek...would've answered this differently?

Guys....I get it. Government good, private business bad. It's your religion.

From my experience it isn't black and white. And thankfully I've experienced all three areas and get the fact that thank allah we have all three.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 09:49:11 PM »

There's a shock: Aske doesn't believe that the private sector is terribly efficient!

Whatever could have lead you to that belief? You didn't actually start looking at numbers and *feces*, did you?

Math has a well know Librul Bias!

And can someone point me to where the gubmint* is terribly efficient. Compared to private industry....seriously, at best it's the same *feces*.



*FWIW, I voted for Obama. The disaster of the Bush years, etc. I am a HUGE proponent of health care reform and now it's *fudge*ED. The dems have royally screwed up this year. They better hope the job situation improves in '10.

Blah..blah...blah....I'm going to finish my drink and go to bed.  Smiley
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Re: Aske's assessment of private sector vs. gubmint vs. academia
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 04:14:07 AM »


I posted this because I figured that he had *some* experience in the private sector--summer internship or whatnot.

Some equaling almost none?
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 09:39:36 AM »

I have about 15 months experience with private sector , in the area of research, and about 15 months in the area of manufacturing.

I have about 90 months in academia area of research, about 36 of which involved simultaneous gubmint.

I have about 46 months in gubmint research, about 36 of which were shared in academia.




If I have time tonight, I'll try to expound on why I picked the # ratingss I did.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 10:21:31 AM »

If I have time tonight, I'll try to expound on why I picked the # ratingss I did.



I may have had a cocktail or two last night and got a bit more...mmm...excited....than I should have.  Wink  Sorry.

Although I will say that based on MY experiences my assessment is quite mixed. And I will say that private companies (non-publicly traded) rank among the best. Again, from my experiences. But I really believe this is an area where you just can't generalize. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 12:38:21 PM »

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And can someone point me to where the gubmint* is terribly efficient. Compared to private industry....seriously, at best it's the same *feces*.

Yes:

We pay Blackwater contractors 100k a year and up to perform the same functions that any Sp4 can handle for less than 30k.

Would you like me to continue?

The religion crack really, really made me laugh.

Somebody in this thread is repeating a decades old meme as an article of faith.

It ain't Aske, though.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 12:58:34 PM »

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And can someone point me to where the gubmint* is terribly efficient. Compared to private industry....seriously, at best it's the same *feces*.

Yes:

We pay Blackwater contractors 100k a year and up to perform the same functions that any Sp4 can handle for less than 30k.

Would you like me to continue?

The religion crack really, really made me laugh.

Somebody in this thread is repeating a decades old meme as an article of faith.

It ain't Aske, though.

Aren't you proving my point with the Blackwater example? The government decided to spend 3x to perform the same function. That's not terribly efficient or competent on their part.

Go back and read my comments. I'm not exactly drinking the private sector kool-aid either. Specific examples on either side of this argument are numerous. That's why I posted that you can't generalize that x is better than y is better than z. What I do find tiresome is the constant bashing of everything private sector related. It ain't all as bad as some think.  Smiley
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Aren't you proving my point with the Blackwater example? The government decided to spend 3x to perform the same function. That's not terribly efficient or competent on their part.


 YOU keep blaming the same villain, killing him, and getting the same result.

Maybe, just maybe, the problem is a private sector mindset that says 'I'm going to charge these *fudge*ers AS MUCH I POSSIBLY CAN until somebody makes me stop'.
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