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Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« on: January 15, 2007, 08:04:37 PM »

I'm looking to install some lights under the kitchen cabinets, in case the thread title didn't convey that.  I'm leaning toward LEDs because of energy usage and low heat buildup.  I also like inexpensive, though, so I'm open to halogen, xenon, or what have you.  I can probably route the wires discreetly, except of course for that last bit with the plug.  I'd rather stay away from a transformer, because my wife will not like the aesthetics.

Anyone have such lighting?  Pros/cons to any particular kind?  Leads on models, vendors or whatnot?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 08:07:17 PM »

I remodeled our kitchen about 3 years ago and installed halogen (can) lights recessed in the cabinets over the sink and counters. I really like them. Three caveats- they get rather hot, they seem to have unpredictable life/bulb, and they're expensive (about $7 per bulb) to replace.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 08:08:24 PM »

How about xenon?


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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 08:14:11 PM »

My kid put something like you are talking about under the 'original' cabinets in his old farmhouse.  I'll try to see what they are in the next day or two.  They do put out some nice light.
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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 08:18:56 PM »

I'm having a tough time getting a good idea of what you are trying to do.  If you have space to recess the lighting, space enough to accommodate a medium socket base, you could go with the mini-swirl fluorescent lamps.

The mini-swirl lamps offer some good light output while remaining pretty cool to the touch.  That said, you need clearance enough for the base.  They are not expensive, though have a very long life.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2007, 08:23:17 PM »

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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2007, 08:51:19 PM »

GolfHo9 is pleased with the Xenon bar type, as shown in this link:

http://www.besthomesystem...gory=UC&type=Xen#_top

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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2007, 08:54:28 PM »

Ours came with the house.  Hard wired 120v. Fluorescent.

Costco had some decent battery operated LED spots.  Thin, easy install.

'bout all I can offer.
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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 07:42:09 AM »

Low voltage halogen puck lights are easy to install under cabinets.  If you have a built-in microwave (basically a microwave in a cabinet), there should be an outlet there and you can plug the transformer in behind the microwave.  Pull your microwave out and see. 

Alternately, there might be a way for you to plug the transformer into the same outlet used by your refrigerator. 

Don't know if LED's are really bright enough yet.  That's the nice thing about halogens.  I'd be surprised if they also didn't run on off a low voltage transformer so you'll have the same issue.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 08:50:14 AM »

GolfHo9 is pleased with the Xenon bar type, as shown in this link:
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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 08:54:16 AM »

Low voltage halogen puck lights are easy to install under cabinets.  If you have a built-in microwave (basically a microwave in a cabinet), there should be an outlet there and you can plug the transformer in behind the microwave.  Pull your microwave out and see. 

Alternately, there might be a way for you to plug the transformer into the same outlet used by your refrigerator. 

Don't know if LED's are really bright enough yet.  That's the nice thing about halogens.  I'd be surprised if they also didn't run on off a low voltage transformer so you'll have the same issue.
Hmmm ... the microwave is a little farther down the counter, and is indeed built in.  Solidly so, but I'll see if it pulls out.

Lenny/others, the intent is more as accent lighting than worklight.  I'm hoping it can be used on a dimmer, which shoots down fluorescent; and we don't like the light from fluorescent bulbs, either.

There is some room for an under-cabinet mounting, but there would be no recession into the cabinetry.  Bit of a lip in front affords me about 2"-3", and I can further hide the lights by moving them back a little (about midway between the front edge of the cabinet and the wall).
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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 03:55:09 PM »

mood lighting in the kitchen? Shocked

next will be the "padded" table cloth. Hump Laughing
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Re: Under-Cabinet Lighting In Kitchen -- Advise
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 10:12:38 PM »

During his extensive research of this issue, GolfHo9 found that:

A primary consideration has to be the total wattage of all undercounter bulbs you are planning to install, therefore:

Line-voltage Halogen bulbs, though dimmable with standard dimmers, are high wattage, and the electrical load of the available circuit would not accomodate all the bulbs needed for GolfHo9's installation.

Low-voltage Halogen bulbs consume less wattage, but are not dimmable due to the transformer required.

Xenon fixtures also used a transformer, but the fixtures of this type(aforementioned) had a "high-low" function, which turned out to be adequate control in Casa GH9.

The bulb life of Xenon bulbs is greater than Halogen,they run cooler, and the replacement cost of the bulbs is less.

GolfHo9 robbed the power for the undercounter light circuit from an existing above counter wall plug, snaking a new feed up the stud cavity to a new junction box which was monted above the cabinets. From there, feed wires were run down in the inside corners of wall cabinets, concealed in 3/8" O.D. Wiremold conduit to the undercabinet fixtures. Fixtures can be connected in parallel, and you will need to jumper above the cabinets when a break in the run of wall cabinets occurs, such as over a sink or stove.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 10:18:48 PM »

... snaking a new feed up the stud cavity ...
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 10:21:29 PM »

mood lighting in the kitchen? Shocked

next will be the "padded" table cloth. Hump Laughing
Just getting things ready in case Bea Arthur should visit.
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