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US v. Argentina (probable spoiler)
« on: June 28, 2007, 03:27:47 PM »

Tonight on GolTV.  I guess they have the full Copa America rights.  Anyway, English broadcast so that's cool.

Watched Mexico beat Brazil last night.  Two beautiful goals.  Brazil just about fielded a B side but still... they're Brazil.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 03:31:58 PM »

Dang.  Don't think I get that channel.  I'll be relying on you Ishka-Dribble.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 03:34:19 PM »

Dang.  Don't think I get that channel.  I'll be relying on you Ishka-Dribble.

It is, I think, 407 on Dish Network.  I haven't had it long.  It just showed up about six months ago.

I'm no Aske play-by-play machine but maybe I can report in now and again.  I also tend to DVR these things and watch them later in the evening after the children settle in.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 03:39:39 PM »

Dang.  Don't think I get that channel.  I'll be relying on you Ishka-Dribble.

It is, I think, 407 on Dish Network.  I haven't had it long.  It just showed up about six months ago.

I'm no Aske play-by-play machine but maybe I can report in now and again.  I also tend to DVR these things and watch them later in the evening after the children settle in.
I don't have dish, I may be able to find it, dunno, I think there is a Spanish sports channel I may be able to glom onto.

Anywho, this is going to be a better test than Mexico, hopefully we have all hands on deck (any red or yellow suspensions?)

Where's slhaitou so we can do some serious bashing?  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 03:45:20 PM »

prediction: argentina 3, usa 1
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 03:48:17 PM »

Anywho, this is going to be a better test than Mexico, hopefully we have all hands on deck (any red or yellow suspensions?)

Where's slhaitou so we can do some serious bashing?  Wink

It's a light roster.  Lots of stars left behind, I assume to placate MLS.

Brad Guzan, Kasey Keller, Jonathan Bornstein, Bobby Boswell, Dan Califf, Jimmy Conrad, Jay DeMerit, Drew Moor, Heath Pearce, Marvell Wynne, Kyle Beckerman, Ricardo Clark, Benny Feilhaber, Eddie Gaven, Sacha Kljestan, Justin Mapp, Lee Nguyen, Ben Olsen, Charlie Davies, Herculez Gomez, Eddie Johnson, Taylor Twellman

Bornstein on Messi perhaps.   Undecided

Eddie Johnson does nothing for me.  But he does show up now and again.  Who knows. 

Speaking of bashing, I think it'll be a genuine woodshed beating with the good ol' USA taking it on the chin.  Better keep away from what's his bucket on this one.   Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 03:51:39 PM »

prediction: argentina 3, usa 1

That's the half time score, but what's the final?  Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007, 03:55:26 PM »

I'll be very interested in Bradley's approach to this one.  Nothing to lose really.  Having said that, he's been very impressive since taking over the team.  I can find no fault.  If he manages to field a side and a plan that stays within a goal I think any remaining doubters will be swayed in his favor. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 04:02:39 PM »



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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 10:12:39 PM »

Argentina 4-1 USA

Much closer than the score.  USA was the better team for 55-60 minutes. 

Bornstein on Messi perhaps.   Undecided

Bornstein was the man.  Messi switched to left side in second half as Bornstein owned him prior to that.  That's when the game changed.  I owe young master Jonathan an apology.

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Meh.  Drew the penalty and scored from the spot but also blew a few chances.  Dude needs to bulk up.  He's knocked off the ball continually.  Speed saves him sometimes.  Ironically, it was his lack of strength that got him the penalty call.

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Speaking of bashing, I think it'll be a genuine woodshed beating with the good ol' USA taking it on the chin.  Better keep away from what's his bucket on this one.   Wink

USA can be proud.  Nice showing with a definite B or C side against a world class Argentine side.  They wore out but it was a one goal match until the very end. I'm optimistic for the future.  Many good young players on this team.  South Africa might be fun.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 10:35:32 PM »

No GolTV for me  Sad


Glad to hear Bornstein played well - I was concerned about him during the Gold Cup.

With the roster we showed up with I'm not surprised by the score.  Bradley knows the scrutiny and viewership was the Gold Cup - better to use the full squad there than at Copa, where fewer in the US will be paying attention...... unfortunately.


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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 07:32:20 AM »

Bradley knows the scrutiny and viewership was the Gold Cup - better to use the full squad there than at Copa, where fewer in the US will be paying attention...... unfortunately.

As Gold Cup winners they earned a spot in the Confederations Cup.  That's part of it too.  USA don't stand a chance to win Copa America so I think it made sense to focus on what's possible.

Keeping peace with MLS is an angle that has to be considered too.  Not much is said about that although I did hear/read they're required to let players go for the Gold Cup and not for Copa America.  Not sure of the details of that arrangement.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 09:08:12 AM »

Argentina 4-1 USA

Much closer than the score.  USA was the better team for 55-60 minutes. 

USA can be proud.  Nice showing with a definite B or C side against a world class Argentine side.  They wore out but it was a one goal match until the very end. I'm optimistic for the future.  Many good young players on this team.  South Africa might be fun.

not so sure I agree.   sure, it was closer than 4-1 in spirit, but they still had no chance.  only goal from a pk? that looks too much like the old world cup team.  giving up way too many goals by being in defensive formations playing for doubleup traps on the wrong men, by playing too much to generate offsides traps (too slow of team speed for this, when it gets busted nobody on the us squad can even come close to recovering), and keller in general being his idiotic old self (last goal, he didnt commit to the right post in a good time, forcing the arg. player to shoot across his body with the wrong foot.   Disgusted (sure, he would probably* convert it anyways, but at least make it a difficult shot, not a tap in), and finally, looks like the same old arenas team of not having anybody that can actually 1 time a good pass at midfield.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 09:30:59 AM »

They had a great chance through 60 minutes.  The next 15 minutes were suspect and it fell apart after that.  Forwards didn't have a great match.  Johnson I've addressed.  Twellman didn't shine.  Neither of them supported the other.  It's true they didn't generate much offense but, come on, did they really have a chance?  They kept the match in the Argentine half or midfield for ages.  Shots on goal were something like 10-6 and most of that came late.

They were caught on one offside trap and payed the price.  Backs and defensive midfield play was generally very good.  They shut down Argentina's formidable goal scorers for much longer than a B/C side should have been able.  They recovered VERY well for 2/3 of the match and supported defensively too.  Didn't get caught square like we saw quite often in the Gold Cup with Onyewu's back line.

Keller had no chance on that last goal.  He can't defend both posts by himself.

I completely disagree with your analysis on this one.  Did you watch the match or just the highlights/goals?  Argentina blew this one open in the last 15 minutes.  Before that it was far from a "no chance" deal.   Quality and experience won through in the end but wasn't it supposed to be that way from the first whistle rather than from the second substitution? 

Huge moral victory for USA.  The future is bright.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 09:46:13 AM »

They had a great chance through 60 minutes.  The next 15 minutes were suspect and it fell apart after that.  Forwards didn't have a great match.  Johnson I've addressed.  Twellman didn't shine.  Neither of them supported the other.  It's true they didn't generate much offense but, come on, did they really have a chance?  They kept the match in the Argentine half or midfield for ages.  Shots on goal were something like 10-6 and most of that came late.

They were caught on one offside trap and payed the price.  Backs and defensive midfield play was generally very good.  They shut down Argentina's formidable goal scorers for much longer than a B/C side should have been able.  They recovered VERY well for 2/3 of the match and supported defensively too.  Didn't get caught square like we saw quite often in the Gold Cup with Onyewu's back line.

Keller had no chance on that last goal.  He can't defend both posts by himself.

I completely disagree with your analysis on this one.  Did you watch the match or just the highlights/goals?  Argentina blew this one open in the last 15 minutes.  Before that it was far from a "no chance" deal.   Quality and experience won through in the end but wasn't it supposed to be that way from the first whistle rather than from the second substitution? 

Huge moral victory for USA.  The future is bright.

i agree we played well for the 1st half- shockingly well.  so much so that they woke up the argentina squad!   then they realized what we were doing and ripped us a new one. quality passing plays in space past horridly slow defensemen.  strangling our offense by forcing midfielders to hit good one timers.    and we didn't react back (although once you go down 2-1 against a team like argentina,  it's pretty much over anyways!) 

and as for keller- yes, i said he was beat no matter what on the last goal.  but he refused to do anything to make it even a hard shot by failing to commit at all !
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