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Uisce Surrenders
« on: July 10, 2007, 07:42:16 PM »

http://uga.org/news/news.cfm?article=2379

You win Hicks.   Sad
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 07:15:12 AM »

Alright, can't get a bite out of Hicks so I'll use this space to continue my vendetta against the UGA.   Wink

http://deseretnews.com/dn.../0,1249,685192973,00.html

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The first round didn't pass without a little controversy caused by the UGA's new pace-of-play policy, which requires players to complete each nine and the 18 holes within a specified time. Several players, worried they were going to miss the time allotment and get penalized, played out of turn and finished holes in a sprint. What most didn't understand, however, was that the UGA takes into account factors that can legitimately delay play and that all penalties can be appealed. Even though many were told they were behind time, only four players were actually penalized.

The confusion might have cost Jensen a share of the lead. Jensen was 4-under par on the 18th tee when his group realized it had only 10 minutes to complete the hole. On the final green, facing a 10-foot birdie putt, Jensen asked an official how much time he had remaining, and the official put up one finger. Hurrying to beat that time, Jensen four putted for a double bogey. Afterwards, Jensen and his playing partners were not penalized.

As someone who shares my views about the UGA wrote...

"They are so inept it's funny. It's just another power trip for the UGA and a way to insert themselves into proceedings. The golf and the members are secondary to them."
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Re: Uisce Surrenders
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 07:58:12 AM »

You're probably not implying that the use of rangefinders slowed play, but I'll ask how pace of play normally runs in these events?
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 08:23:53 AM »

You're probably not implying that the use of rangefinders slowed play, but I'll ask how pace of play normally runs in these events?

No, not implying a connection.  FWIW, please note they're allowing rangefinders AND carts in this one. 

They just started this pace-of-play thing this year.  It jives with the USGA policy.  From all I've read it was used during the State Am qualifiers but no penalties were incurred.  There were no reports such as this one regarding players hurrying to avoid penalty and affecting scores.

So the first pace-of-play penalties of the year were incurred in the UGA's premiere event and other players' scores were affected due, in part, to failure by the UGA to communicate the policy to the players adequately.  It seems they simply can't run any event beyond the Podunk City Championship without associated screw-ups or controversy. 

I've played a few UGA Winterchamps competitions in St. George.  Pace of play in those was good to reasonable.  I can't speak to most of the events as I've just recently lowered my index enough to qualify for any of them.  And, of course, the UGA fired me as a member when I brought inadequacies in the handicap system to their notice.  I've not been around the competitions enough to know if there's any sort of pace-of-play problem.
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Re: Uisce Surrenders
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2007, 09:46:24 AM »

so why can one measure distance but not temp/wind/ 'gradient' (wtf!???)   ?
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2007, 10:17:05 AM »

so why can one measure distance but not temp/wind/ 'gradient' (wtf!???)   ?

'Cuz God through his agent RickHicks deemed it so.  Wink

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14-3/0.5 Local Rule Permitting Use of Distance-Measuring Device

Q. May a Committee, by Local Rule, permit the use of distance-measuring devices?

A. Yes. A Committee may establish a Local Rule allowing players to use devices that measure distance only. However, the use of devices that gauge or measure other conditions that might affect a player’s play (e.g., wind or gradient) is not permitted.

In the absence of such a Local Rule, the use of a distance-measuring device would be contrary to Rule 14-3. (New)

I think it has to do with the idea that a player could map the course prior to and have it all on hand during his round.  This has always been allowed (well, always is a long time but as far as I know.)  Wind is not something that can be figured outside of the stipulated round.  Gradient could be calculated ahead of time and written in a yardage book though.  That's the bit that confuses me.

Or... the USGA got itself in a pickle when its Handicap people and its Rules people positioned themselves at odds with one another.  The local rule solution allows them to bail themselves out somewhat and lets clubs/competitions under the R&A's jurisdiction remain true to the spirit of the game. 

You decide.   Devil


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Re: Uisce Surrenders
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2007, 09:17:34 PM »

so why can one measure distance but not temp/wind/ 'gradient' (wtf!???)   ?

'Cuz God through his agent RickHicks deemed it so.  Wink


Ah - NO.

As you may recall - my position was we should rule on what information one was able to obtain, rather than the manner in which it was obtained.  I was making the point that if rangefinders aren't allowed then caddies should be muzzled and yardage books burned as well.

But the thread got soo long most people missed that portion, they just read the first post and figured everything was about legalizing GPS use.  I am certainly open to eliminating ALL forms of distance measurement - eliminate the confusion  Wink




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Alright, can't get a bite out of Hicks

Sorry, don't come in here often - or I would have rubbed your red nose in this  Cheesy

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2007, 09:41:34 PM »

Don't get all reasonable on me.  That's completely unacceptable. 

Good gawsh, Uisce surrendered so long ago he's since struggled through reconstruction, embraced a messiah and invaded Poland.
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