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Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« on: September 09, 2007, 06:52:51 AM »

Apparently I am teh sukk at club building. Sad

I thought I finally got it, with my driver.  I haven't hit it very much.  The last time I was out with the neighbor, and hit maybe 10 balls.....I noticed the ferule separated from the club head.  Chiclet

The head isn't "loose" but I fear it's only a matter of time.

I guess I'm stuck bringing it to BIL who  Air quotes knows what he's doing Air quotes it's just that the ridicule, fear, and intimidation I'll face is close to what I endure here.  I'm not sure I'm up for it, but it seems I have no choice.  I'll go get the sack cloth and ashes.

I find it hard to believe, but if there is a body here who does not predicate their life on every character I post to teh internets........a primer can be found here
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 09:29:17 AM »

Any chance you forgot to shave?
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 10:24:14 AM »

Any chance you forgot to shave?

Wrong thread.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2007, 10:26:53 AM »


LOL. 

You have it bad when chicks and glue both hate you.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2007, 12:15:56 PM »

Don't feel bad, stroh.  Torpie had a head fly off of one of his favorite clubs.  It was funny and sad at the same time.  I he was yards ahead of me and I had just finished my shot when I heard him hit.  I look up to see if he liked the results, and there he's standing with his clubs still on his follow-through.  Looked at the club 'cause it's not like him to just stand there, noticing something isn't looking right, and I'm thinking "Where's the clubhead?  Oh, I'm probably just seeing the club from the side angle.  No..."  By then I'm close to him and he's looking at me, I see the head about 65 yards away...  Yeah.  He still doesn't have a replacement.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2007, 09:25:30 PM »

i always make sure glue comes out between the ferrule and clubhead to make sure it doesn't slide around.  what kind of glue did you use?  i always use golfsmith 24 hour
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2007, 09:31:11 PM »

After I've built the club and let the epoxy cure, I like to hit it with my propane torch for maybe a minute -- moving the flame tip around so as not to scar the paint -- to thermoset the epoxy.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2007, 09:32:26 PM »

In my totally unqualified opinion, you're probably looking at at least one of the following three problems:

1) Inadequate prep (shaft abrasion, hosel abrasion, thorough cleaning of both, etc.)
2) Bad mix of epoxy (too much of one or the other part)
3) Bad batch of epoxy

Then again, as my grandma used to tell me, if you're not handsome, sometimes you just have to be lucky. I don't know what that means, but apparently Clive's wife can kick my ass, so take it for what it's worth.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 06:07:10 PM »

1) Inadequate prep (shaft abrasion, hosel abrasion, thorough cleaning of both, etc.)
2) Bad mix of epoxy (too much of one or the other part)
3) Bad batch of epoxy

1)-maybe
2)-maybe
3)-maybe
4)-maybe you didn't apply epoxy under the ferrule or maybe not enough.  Try twisting just the ferrule.  If it moves, you're cool as far as the head is concerned.  If you can move the head, go see the BIL, hat in hand. Grin
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 06:55:15 PM »

4)-maybe you didn't apply epoxy under the ferrule or maybe not enough.  Try twisting just the ferrule.  If it moves, you're cool as far as the head is concerned.  If you can move the head, go see the BIL, hat in hand. Grin
I usually mark the spot on the shaft tip below which I want to abrade, using a Sharpie.  Many times, that mark is still visible on the shaft tip after the clubhead is pulled.  It also makes a nice check to see if the ferrule is climbing up or the clubhead sliding off.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 06:58:57 PM »

1) Inadequate prep (shaft abrasion, hosel abrasion, thorough cleaning of both, etc.)
2) Bad mix of epoxy (too much of one or the other part)
3) Bad batch of epoxy

1)-maybe
2)-maybe
3)-maybe
4)-maybe you didn't apply epoxy under the ferrule or maybe not enough.  Try twisting just the ferrule.  If it moves, you're cool as far as the head is concerned.  If you can move the head, go see the BIL, hat in hand. Grin
Apparently my reading comprehension skills are teh sukk. I missed the part that says "the clubhead isn't loose." Somehow I was thinking the head was working itself loose. As an occasional sufferer of non-loose clubhead ferrule creep, I withdraw my initial assertions, and fully endorse the suggestions from Clive and tdcoly.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 07:04:08 PM »

I should mention, here as there, that after abrading higher than the top of the hosel -- and this is the relevant part -- I install the warmed ferrule by applying some epoxy to the shaft tip and using it as a lubricant of sorts to ease the ferrule up.  Seat it with the clubhead, making sure you have any tip weight in place so you don't accidentally push the ferrule too far up.

That gets a good epoxy film between ferrule and shaft surface, all the way from top to bottom.  I NEVER have ferrule creep.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 07:05:53 PM »

I should mention, here as there, that after abrading higher than the top of the hosel -- and this is the relevant part -- I install the warmed ferrule by applying some epoxy to the shaft tip and using it as a lubricant of sorts to ease the ferrule up.  Seat it with the clubhead, making sure you have any tip weight in place so you don't accidentally push the ferrule too far up.

That gets a good epoxy film between ferrule and shaft surface, all the way from top to bottom.  I NEVER have ferrule creep.
They've done studies you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

(Actually, since adopting a similar method, I've not had a ferrule creep problem either.)
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2007, 06:47:54 AM »

Aside from the already good advice, make sure you put epoxy on the shaft and down the hosel. Load it up down the hosel, in fact. Sure 95% of it will come oozing out, but at least you know that you have 99.9% coverage on both surfaces. Also, make sure the shaft and hosel are clean before you apply the glue. I use a q-tip and isopropyl alcohol and swab out the hosel until the q-tip comes out as white as when it went in. You can go through a dozen+ q-tips in the process, but they're cheap. Then I blast the hosel with compressed air to make sure that there is no junk in there, and to make sure the alcohol is fully evaporated. Then you can load up the shaft and hosel with epoxy, and make sure you get a good 50-50 mix and stir it well. Don't skimp on the epoxy when mixing it. If you're only making a small batch it's easier to wind up with a 40-60 mix.

Make sure to get inside of the ferrule fully coated as well. Keep a rag with solvent handy because there will be epoxy flying everywhere and it's easy to get it on the club. Let it cure in a low humidity, constant temperature area, even if it has to be your dining room. A damp basement or hot garage is not a great place to let your clubs dry. Also, I give my clubs longer than the stated curing time to dry, although that is probably more superstition than anything. If you do the above then I suspect you'll no longer have a problem.
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Re: Why Does Glue Hate Me?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2007, 06:58:56 AM »

Cool.  Thanks everyone.  I'll have to go and inspect the club closer to see if it's just ferrule creep, or if I did indeed just do a sukk job.  (I didn't do anywhere near the prep JDerion expressed.) 
The head didn't feel "loose" but that was just some mild torque with my hands.......hitting it may prove differently.
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