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This is what I ended up getting
« on: December 06, 2007, 08:11:57 PM »

As you know, we have HDTV.  Need to upgrade the receiver.  I have been out at the stores and I see receivers that say they have either hdmi 1.2 or hdmi 1.3 outs.  I have no idea what the difference is and all the salesman say that there is none?Huh?  Then why are they numbered different?  no answer.

The HDTV I have has 3 hdmi inputs along with a bunch of other things.  What the wife wants to do now, is to have one cable to the TV and all the others hidden away if possible.  That means new receiver.  She also says that I didn't understand what she said about the hd dvd players.  What she meant was that back then we had to make a choice because we didn't have the funds.  She told me that we will probably make the wrong choice but we can afford to do that.  So, we are getting the dvd player too.

She also wants to hook up her puter to the TV when it is needed for dinner guests and parties etc.  I know that can be done via one of the extra hdmi inputs.  It also has a pc input on the TV.  The sound will need to be wired into the new receiver.

Given what I have just stated, are the Onkyo line tx-sr705,805,875's mentioned in RH thread suitable for my TV?  What about the hdmi 1.2 vs 1.2 outs or ins for that matter?

Reading the AVforums was not helpful.  Those folks talk in a language that is foreign to me.

Advice as to what I should be looking for would be helpful.

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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 08:43:00 PM »

well, i'm an onkyo 705 owner (and couldnt be happier, other than wishing i had the flagship model $$$ to spend LOL)

i know rickhicks wasn't pleased with some compatibility issues he had with his and his tv,  but i think thats really an issue with his provider, and the whole process of trying to go  hdmi-dvi  with HDCP  enabled (ugh)


I'll chime in a bit more later tonight or tomorrow,  (about hdmi 1.3 etc) sorry I'm in a busy crunch at the moment.
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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 09:05:04 PM »

btw, here's a great look at hd-dvd   vs. blowray  from a pretty neutral perspective

http://gizmodo.com/gadget...tate-of-hd-dvd-330684.php
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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 11:53:05 PM »

well, i'm an onkyo 705 owner (and couldnt be happier, other than wishing i had the flagship model $$$ to spend LOL)

i know rickhicks wasn't pleased with some compatibility issues he had with his and his tv,  but i think thats really an issue with his provider, and the whole process of trying to go  hdmi-dvi  with HDCP  enabled (ugh)

And the horrid component video processing.  Perhaps just a bad unit, but I wanted something different after I was uncomfortable with the clearance for heat.

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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 06:00:16 AM »

geo1...It might be too late.  However, Wal-Mart has the Toshiba A-3 HD-DVD player on sale for 298.00.  Sale ends today.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 06:18:40 AM »

geo1...It might be too late.  However, Wal-Mart has the Toshiba A-3 HD-DVD player on sale for 298.00.  Sale ends today.


It will most likely be far cheaper than that between now and  new years.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 07:45:18 AM »

geo1...It might be too late.  However, Wal-Mart has the Toshiba A-3 HD-DVD player on sale for 298.00.  Sale ends today.


It will most likely be far cheaper than that between now and  new years.


I was hoping they would put the A-2 back on sale for $98.00.
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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 07:48:46 AM »

well, LOL. that would be great.

anyways, if you're gonna spend $300, spend $400 instead and get the a35
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 01:43:32 PM »

Assumption here - Since the TV is Toshiba (52 inch, model 52lx177), I won't go wrong by getting the Toshiba dvd player.  Will all 3 of the machines mentioned also play SD dvd's?

As to hdmi 1.3, (a little research can be damning), if the receiver/amp uses 1.3, will it support 1, 1.1 and 1.2?  If the receiver is 1.2 or less, I am assuming that it won't support device that is higher?  Am I making too much of a concern here?

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 02:02:07 PM »

Assumption here - Since the TV is Toshiba (52 inch, model 52lx177), I won't go wrong by getting the Toshiba dvd player.  Will all 3 of the machines mentioned also play SD dvd's?

As to hdmi 1.3, (a little research can be damning), if the receiver/amp uses 1.3, will it support 1, 1.1 and 1.2?  If the receiver is 1.2 or less, I am assuming that it won't support device that is higher?  Am I making too much of a concern here?



correct, the higher the 1.x  number (example x=3) the better in terms of bandwidth, and hence future proofing.   1.3  can handle all 1.1 data streams,  not vice versa.

i would persoanlly go 1.3  just for the future.  1.3 receivers should be good for at least 6-7 years (unless you run out of inputs on them!!!!  LOL).

3-4  1.3  hdmi inputs on a receiver is a good starting point I think.    a35 will pass the absolute best audio to the receiver  natively.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 02:29:38 PM »

This info helps greatly!

Us old guys know that eyes and ears tend to suffer with age.  Need all the help they can get.
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Re: Need advice concerning receivers -have read UB's and Rickhicks threads
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 08:04:30 PM »

In addition to supporting higher bandwidth 1.3 supports more codecs (i.e TrueHD). 

It's a tough call to make.  I had to figure out which side of the equation I was on.  Did I want best of (upper middle range) breed with future proofing or did I want excellent quality at about half the price?  I choose the former but I certainly wouldn't think it poor form to go the other way.  Whatever floats your boat.

What sort of speaker setup do you have?
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 09:30:31 PM »

I got front, center, rear and sub woofer.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 12:26:29 AM »

I got front, center, rear and sub woofer.


so 5.1  ?   with a good hd-dvd player, good hdmi receiver, you'll get awesome surround sound whether it's passed natively (true hd, dts-ma) or converted internally (advanced 5.1 pcm).

just be sure you cover the full freq. range with as little nonlinearity as possible.   especially for movies an awesome center is needed.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 12:54:05 PM »

Our system is in the daylight basement.  Room is about 60 ft long and about 20 ft wide.  System is located so that there is about 15 ft to the right and about 30 to the left.  Wife absolutely states no more speakers.  She uses the 15 ft area as work area.  Only way to add more speakers is to hang from ceiling and that is a definite no from her.  I understand that and even agree.  Heck, it wasn't until I started this process couple of weeks ago that I learned the simple explanation of 5.1 vs 6.1 and 7.1  That is how new to this I am.

Google tells me that "Nonlinearity is the behavior of a circuit, particularly an amplifier, in which the output signal strength does not vary in direct proportion to the input signal strength. In a nonlinear device, the output-to-input amplitude ratio (also called the gain) depends on the strength of the input signal."  It seems to me that these 2 sentences contradict each other.Now I can guarantee you that I am not sure what that really means plus there ain't a salesman out there will know about that also.  So, can I assume that a decent receiver will have this pretty much covered?  I am looking at the Onkyo devices mentioned.  Are there other brands, I know you switched from Denon to Onkyo, that produce suitable products for receiver?  Just for clarification - When I use word receiver that is the machine that controls the sound and I am pretty sure that the hdmi will go from it to TV.
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