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« on: June 03, 2008, 09:24:33 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 10:11:15 AM »

ethical issues of korprit bull*feces* , monopoly, and malfeascance aside, i can't wait till mom/pop joe blow people signing up for these plans with their crappy unsecured wireless or their virus infected spambot machines start getting  $2-3k  bills.  it's the terrist/mob financial target wet dream made real.

 

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 10:40:29 AM »

Another reason to not switch to Time Warner.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 10:56:05 AM »

ethical issues of korprit bull*feces* , monopoly, and malfeascance aside, i can't wait till mom/pop joe blow people signing up for these plans with their crappy unsecured wireless or their virus infected spambot machines start getting  $2-3k  bills.  it's the terrist/mob financial target wet dream made real.

 


all the local ric romero news personalities will warn us about that before we go to bed.  no worries.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 11:03:37 AM »

It surely sucks, yes.  I'll hate the day it comes to me as well.

However, I fail to see how using metered billing for a service is an ethical issue at all.  I'm actually quite surprised it didn't happen years ago.

Bandwidth is not yet free.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 11:12:21 AM »

It surely sucks, yes.  I'll hate the day it comes to me as well.

However, I fail to see how using metered billing for a service is an ethical issue at all.  I'm actually quite surprised it didn't happen years ago.

Bandwidth is not yet free.



Maybe I'm missing the pitch, but what brings me to outrage, and in some small degree, some incense is the fact that they seem to be doubling back on what we have already endured, and been promised.

when I first found the intertubes, i had to pay X amount for so many hours.  I burned through it like cell phone minutes, spending all night in gay chat rooms, and online fleshlight forums.  Then boom consumers drove the market to offer an "unlimited" package.  We all bit.  I pay what you ask, and I log countless hours on Ho's.

Now you come to me and say it's unlimited, unless you use lots of internet, then you need to pay more.  Bull*feces*.  (Ya'll fat.  You eat too much.)  No, no.  Granted I don't download movies music or and HD content so I'm sure I wouldn't be affected in a way the articles is eluding, but I still don't like it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 11:15:06 AM »

It surely sucks, yes.  I'll hate the day it comes to me as well.

However, I fail to see how using metered billing for a service is an ethical issue at all.  I'm actually quite surprised it didn't happen years ago.

Bandwidth is not yet free.



bandwidth is not yet free. agreed.  sell pricing based on the bandwidth the customer wants, and DO NOT oversell it.  after all, you were given TRILLIONS of $ and easements/etc  to upgrade your infrastructure. instead you pocketed it and gave it to CEOs and shareholders.  we are a joke of the 'western' world already, let's not make it worse.

ethical- buying monopolies in communities then using this 'metering' practice to squash competitors (netflix downloads, itunes, etc) through vertical integration. issuing 'install cds' for your service that also install apps that routinely 'dial in' and secretly send unrequested data.  opaque and un-auditable 'metering' service.  possibility of tying in to mob connections to extort customers via hack/virus traffic apps.   finally, as another side note,  i'm pretty sure someone with windows, ms office, and internet sucksplorer  on 4-5 machines in their home probably gets 1GB of traffic a month from MS alone- add in a security product (like norton) for 5 machines and you're probably at 1.5GB -2 GB .  great, let's discourage reasonable computer security by pricing  routine security upgrades out of touch for the consumer.

that said, it's also highly counterproductive to telecommunicating and digital file distribution (in place of optical media).. both of which are huge ways to reduce resource use.

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 12:54:14 PM »

"please deposit .75 for the next three minutes"
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 01:07:36 PM »

It surely sucks, yes.  I'll hate the day it comes to me as well.

However, I fail to see how using metered billing for a service is an ethical issue at all.  I'm actually quite surprised it didn't happen years ago.

Bandwidth is not yet free.



Maybe I'm missing the pitch, but what brings me to outrage, and in some small degree, some incense is the fact that they seem to be doubling back on what we have already endured, and been promised.

when I first found the intertubes, i had to pay X amount for so many hours.  I burned through it like cell phone minutes, spending all night in gay chat rooms, and online fleshlight forums.  Then boom consumers drove the market to offer an "unlimited" package.  We all bit.  I pay what you ask, and I log countless hours on Ho's.

Now you come to me and say it's unlimited, unless you use lots of internet, then you need to pay more.  Bull*feces*.  (Ya'll fat.  You eat too much.)  No, no.  Granted I don't download movies music or and HD content so I'm sure I wouldn't be affected in a way the articles is eluding, but I still don't like it.

There were two reasons for flat rate billing on Internet services early on.  1)  To get you off the metered services like AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy, etc. and onto the Internet - it was a marketing incentive.  2)  It was difficult for smaller companies to bill by the minute, they would have had to implement accounting and billing systems they could not yet afford nor support.

We pay on a somewhat metered basis for almost everything in life - Internet service is supposed to be exempt?  I don't necessarily see it that way.  If I want more food, more gas, more TV channels, more phone minutes, and more fleshlights - I pay more.

Flat rate billing is certainly easier and more attractive to consumers - it could become that marketing incentive all over again.  Cablecos can use it against Telcos and vice versa.

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 01:15:41 PM »

It surely sucks, yes.  I'll hate the day it comes to me as well.

However, I fail to see how using metered billing for a service is an ethical issue at all.  I'm actually quite surprised it didn't happen years ago.

Bandwidth is not yet free.



bandwidth is not yet free. agreed.  sell pricing based on the bandwidth the customer wants, and DO NOT oversell it.  after all, you were given TRILLIONS of $ and easements/etc  to upgrade your infrastructure. instead you pocketed it and gave it to CEOs and shareholders.  we are a joke of the 'western' world already, let's not make it worse.

ethical- buying monopolies in communities then using this 'metering' practice to squash competitors (netflix downloads, itunes, etc) through vertical integration. issuing 'install cds' for your service that also install apps that routinely 'dial in' and secretly send unrequested data.  opaque and un-auditable 'metering' service.  possibility of tying in to mob connections to extort customers via hack/virus traffic apps.   finally, as another side note,  i'm pretty sure someone with windows, ms office, and internet sucksplorer  on 4-5 machines in their home probably gets 1GB of traffic a month from MS alone- add in a security product (like norton) for 5 machines and you're probably at 1.5GB -2 GB .  great, let's discourage reasonable computer security by pricing  routine security upgrades out of touch for the consumer.

that said, it's also highly counterproductive to telecommunicating and digital file distribution (in place of optical media).. both of which are huge ways to reduce resource use.




I am firmly in the 'I hate carriers' camp.  I know they use crappy accounting practices, lobby for govenment rules in their favor, and love to be a monopoly.  They suck that way.  Monopolies (or even Duopolies, a la telco/cable) are almost always bad.

However, metered service is still a completely understandable pricing mechanism for someone providing Internet service.  Our problem is an increasing lack of competition, not metered pricing.  If I had 5 choices of service all using metered pricing, I'll find more than one to be agreeable.

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 01:24:32 PM »

so how exactly will this impact my xtube pron budget?  why the *fudge* else have a home intertube connection? 
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 01:27:03 PM »

***other stuff**

We pay on a somewhat metered basis for almost everything in life - Internet service is supposed to be exempt?  I don't necessarily see it that way.  If I want more food, more gas, more TV channels, more phone minutes, and more fleshlights - I pay more.

Flat rate billing is certainly easier and more attractive to consumers - it could become that marketing incentive all over again.


All right.  I guess I'm still missing it. Not unusual.  Ask Claven.

But I (a) don't agree with the above and (b) seems you are making both sides of the argument.

I believe in many ways we do pay one flat rate for many goods and services(sometimes unnecessarily as in the case of "unlimited cell service" sold to customers who clearly don't need it, like I read in a Yahoo article the other day)

All you can eat buffet.  (If I want McDonalds and then more of it yes I have to pay more.  If I want to pay one price and eat all the food I want, it is available)

Amusement park unlimited ride wrist band. (I can of course forgo this, and pay single ticket ride prices, but.........)

Cell service (detailed above)

Apple has even toyed with the idea for it's itunes store, but I think it's a ways off.

Tire rotation.

Ski lift tickets.

Twilight golf.

I won't waste either of our collective time(s) with more of a list, but I guess....yeah.  In my mind internet access should be the same.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 01:45:25 PM »



I am firmly in the 'I hate carriers' camp.  I know they use crappy accounting practices, lobby for govenment rules in their favor, and love to be a monopoly.  They suck that way.  Monopolies (or even Duopolies, a la telco/cable) are almost always bad.

However, metered service is still a completely understandable pricing mechanism for someone providing Internet service.  Our problem is an increasing lack of competition, not metered pricing.  If I had 5 choices of service all using metered pricing, I'll find more than one to be agreeable.



if i had 5 or more options for broadband i probably wouldn't so passionately object. we agree on that.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 02:01:41 PM »

The article says metered usage is common overseas.  I wonder if there's outrage over there or are we being a tad too tough on korprit merka.   Cool
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