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"they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« on: June 06, 2008, 09:35:59 AM »

http://www.clusterstock.c...only_morons_who_make_suvs
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 09:39:40 AM »

umm, he's absolutely correct. certain people want to pick on the us auto industry for the manufacture of behemoth suv's but they all make them and it is the consumer who makes that call.  Wink

 
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 09:50:05 AM »

umm, he's absolutely correct. certain people want to pick on the us auto industry for the manufacture of behemoth suv's but they all make them and it is the consumer who makes that call.  Wink

 

but why does japan for example have brands that BALANCE out the line by having a good distribution of vehicle sizes/efficiencies... (if anything skewed towards efficient cars in favor of SUVS) whereas  detroit does not (opposite scenario)?
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the consumer gets to make a 'call' (for suvs) at least in part, if they have any "allegiance" to "us brands" regardless of whether they necessarily want one
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2008, 09:53:20 AM »

anyways, this is essentially what i said (err, implied far less eloquently) in the last detroit-auto-bashing thread.

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The job of good managers is not just to give consumers what they want today. It is to be ready to give them what they want tomorrow, without just "reacting." The fact that Toyota wanted to sell more trucks when Americans wanted them doesn't make GM any less stupid for putting so many of its eggs in the gas-hog basket.






and whether we agree with it or not, it sure looks like this guy      is feeling it (and by it i mean a giant UFIA) .





clearly the big japanese co's are far more in the position to give us what we 'want' in 2008/2009 because they didn't put all their 'eggs in the basket' so to speak       



notice the seeming absence of the "UFIA face" on this guy   

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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2008, 10:12:09 AM »

while GM posts a $40B loss in 2007 on $180B of revenue,

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Wagoner makes a higher yearly salary at GM than the top nine executives at Toyota combined.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wagoner
(toyota posts $14B profit on $200B of revenue)



*feces*, i'd "stay the course" too.
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 10:12:29 AM »

umm, he's absolutely correct. certain people want to pick on the us auto industry for the manufacture of behemoth suv's but they all make them and it is the consumer who makes that call.  Wink

 

but why does japan for example have brands that BALANCE out the line by having a good distribution of vehicle sizes/efficiencies... (if anything skewed towards efficient cars in favor of SUVS) whereas  detroit does not (opposite scenario)?
 Smiley

the consumer gets to make a 'call' (for suvs) at least in part, if they have any "allegiance" to "us brands" regardless of whether they necessarily want one
 Smiley



dude you are sad. you are so biased against us manufacturers that you rarely ever make sense anymore.

so now it is the suv's are being shoved down the consumers throats by us car companies.

lets see, virtually every honda ad i have seen in the past 6 months is either for that poor excuse for a truck, the van or the latest ad blitz for the all new 8 passenger pilot. obviously your too blinded by your bias to notice.
hondas line up is evenly split between 4 cars and 4 vans-suv-trucks

toyota 6 cars- 9 trucks-suv-van

what was your point again? Roll Eyes
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 10:13:36 AM »

http://www.cars.com/go/ad...cafe&subject=fuelList

This article is 7 months old it is still a good measure. GM is not that far behind. The difference is the Detroit big 3 are more known for the big trucks and the big Japanese 3 are more known for the fuel efficient cars.

I think if they change their image it would make a difference. And yes maybe a bit of giving the consumer what they need instead of what they want could help but I don't see a for profit organization doing that.

But then again being an owner of a said gas guzzling SUV I don't have room to talk.
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2008, 10:15:54 AM »

I don't disagree with birdymaker here. All companies will sell what consumers are buying. My coworker just bought a Titan and gets like 15 MPG. Another got the Tundra, again 15 MPG.

It's not the manufacturer, its the consumer.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2008, 10:22:38 AM »

umm, he's absolutely correct. certain people want to pick on the us auto industry for the manufacture of behemoth suv's but they all make them and it is the consumer who makes that call.  Wink

 

but why does japan for example have brands that BALANCE out the line by having a good distribution of vehicle sizes/efficiencies... (if anything skewed towards efficient cars in favor of SUVS) whereas  detroit does not (opposite scenario)?
 Smiley

the consumer gets to make a 'call' (for suvs) at least in part, if they have any "allegiance" to "us brands" regardless of whether they necessarily want one
 Smiley



dude you are sad. you are so biased against us manufacturers that you rarely ever make sense anymore.

so now it is the suv's are being shoved down the consumers throats by us car companies.

lets see, virtually every honda ad i have seen in the past 6 months is either for that poor excuse for a truck, the van or the latest ad blitz for the all new 8 passenger pilot. obviously your too blinded by your bias to notice.
hondas line up is evenly split between 4 cars and 4 vans-suv-trucks

toyota 6 cars- 9 trucks-suv-van

what was your point again? Roll Eyes

my point was there's a lot of folks of my parents generation (such as my parents  Sad  Chair)  who will "only buy usa!"  ...when the choice is therefore given to them to pick either a low fuel economy car or a low fuel economy suv/truck from ford/gm,  duh, many times they pick the low fuel economy suv/truck  because gas was effectively cheap until last year.  now these people don't want the low fuel economy SUV, they want a high fuel economy car.  however, the choice is to abandon this "usa only"  or stick with the low fuel economy... since unfortunately japan has far more offerings in this segment of the market ALREADY in production, including by far the best hybrid vehicle.----  the ENTIRE point of the article posted----

the bottom line is that while i feel sorry for the ford/gm employees (except that *feces*head CEO, etc),  they didn't learn the lessons from the 70's oil shock.... no sympathy for the 'korprashun' ... short term gains.... *fudge* the future!


i know, i'm biased to hate 'merka.... wishing we had taken a smarter approach for long term sustainability and all that.
i'll quit serving no purpose here and move along.  Sad
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 10:25:08 AM »

while GM posts a $40B loss in 2007 on $180B of revenue,

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Wagoner makes a higher yearly salary at GM than the top nine executives at Toyota combined.
  Shocked Shocked Shocked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wagoner
(toyota posts $14B profit on $200B of revenue)



*feces*, i'd "stay the course" too.
 Shocked

Bu, bu, but he's got a Harvard MBA!
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Re: "they did it too" [Big Auto Detroit]
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 10:28:16 AM »

Naw, don't sell yourself short. It's not the message its the delivery.

Your point is not really lost.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 10:28:37 AM »

The irony is that the Japanese exploited the 70's oil crisis to great advantage, proving themselves far more nimble.  They were able to move in and fill the demand for small cars and trucks, thereby gaining a toe hold in the US market.  By the time the Big 3.5 came up with their small vehicle answers, the crisis had ended.  By then, the Japanese had proven their worth, and became worthy players in the guzzler sectors.

A safe bet is to assume history will repeat.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 07:17:55 PM »



Now, that isn't to say that GM in particular and Ford and Daimler Chrysler to a somewhat lesser extent don't bear some responsibilty for not getting out in front of the problem like Toyota and Honda did.

I'll wager that Toyota sells more Tacoma's and RAV4's than they do Tundra's and Landcruiser, and all you have to do is look around and see that Nissan sells more Frontiers, Xterra's and Pathfinders than they do Titans.

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 07:24:39 PM »

from here (no idea as to veracity)
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The Land Cruiser is a specialty model that sells a few hundred units a month domestically. Toyota sold 14k Yarises, 52k Corollas, 51k Camrys, and 15K Priuses last month-and 473 Land Cruisers.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 07:31:45 PM »

What really happened is that GM in particular abandoned the subcompact and small truck segment of the market when they found out that people would buy really fancy large trucks if they put  cupholders and leather seats in them. It made fantastic short term economic sense, because the margins were enormous in these types of vehicles. The fact that they spent the next decade and a half working on not much more than cupholders and nicer leather interiors wasn't really any concern of anybody's.

It's a prime example one of the problems with postmodern American style capitalism, which puts way, way too much emphasis on annual and even quarterly gains, especially in top-tier executive pay.

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