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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2008, 08:16:07 AM »




Boy: But why can't we just make a law........

Amendment-to-be: Because that law would be unconstitutional. But if we change the Constitution...

Boy: Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws.

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President Bush said Thursday he would abide by the decision, but also said his administration was evaluating whether to respond to the court's ruling with new legislation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...o_su_co/scotus_guantanamo
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008, 01:04:21 PM »

When did the Repugs forget what conservatism means?
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2008, 01:35:03 PM »

When did the Repugs forget what conservatism means?

about 8 years ago.
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2008, 04:30:12 PM »

The opinion.

PB, I direct you to sections III-IV, pages 16-50.

Some portions of the opinion read.  From that, I would conclude that the World Court, and/or UN should be adjudicating these cases.  After these namby pamby wusses let 'em go, we should just shoot 'em and get it over with.


An oversimplification for sure.
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 08:18:03 PM »

Does the decision state or even imply that anybody should be let go?

What it says is 'They' can't hold you forever without telling you why and letting you present some kind of evidence on your own behalf.

It's one of the most basic principles of western civilization.
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 08:43:03 PM »

You mean to tell me a man's rights aren't dictated by where he was born?
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 08:49:32 PM »

You mean to tell me a man's rights aren't dictated by where he was born?

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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 03:07:25 AM »

Does the decision state or even imply that anybody should be let go?

Not really trying to pull your chain here, I was implying that the WC and UN would release the detainee's willy nilly.  Personally, I think it was a mistake to even retain custody of the detainee's on US controlled territory without declaring their status as POW's or criminals. 


Send the criminals to the Hague for trial.  Allow the POW's their rights under the Geneva convention(s).
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2008, 06:29:09 AM »

You mean to tell me a man's rights aren't dictated by where he was born?

I reserve the right to find Marmite disgusting.  But I'm huge on marmalade.  Must be the little German in me.  (Cue Google images.)

Ha!  He called Clive little.
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2008, 06:48:55 AM »

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Send the criminals to the Hague for trial.
 

I don't think anybody with an ounce of sense thinks sending them to the Hague is any kind of solution.

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Allow the POW's their rights under the Geneva convention(s).

POW's actually get a hearing before they're incarcerated. These individuals did not. Some of them were purchased from warlords in Afghanistan and whisked off to Gitmo.

Even the Soviet Union had show trials before they shipped folks off to the Gulags...


What is the Shrub so afraid of ?
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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2008, 06:56:03 AM »

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Send the criminals to the Hague for trial.
 

I don't think anybody with an ounce of sense thinks sending them to the Hague is any kind of solution.

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Allow the POW's their rights under the Geneva convention(s).

POW's actually get a hearing before they're incarcerated. These individuals did not. Some of them were purchased from warlords in Afghanistan and whisked off to Gitmo.

Even the Soviet Union had show trials before they shipped folks off to the Gulags...


What is the Shrub so afraid of ?

Where were you when the world stopped turnin' that September day?
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2008, 06:01:18 PM »

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Send the criminals to the Hague for trial.
 

I don't think anybody with an ounce of sense thinks sending them to the Hague is any kind of solution.

PaunchyBald bein' pretty much a half-ounce of sense guy.
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Re: turns out everyone has rights [Politics/Religion]
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2008, 12:26:26 PM »

PaunchyBald bein' pretty much a half-ounce of sense guy.

Hey,  thanks for the compliment.  I think I'll have another beer.   Drink
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