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« on: May 20, 2007, 09:39:42 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 03:24:14 PM »

The US really needs some gun laws.
Australia has very strict gun laws, so hopefully it is not so easy for a gun to get in the hands of "nutcases".
It is a privilege, not a right to hold a gun license over here. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 04:44:16 PM »

We like guns.

They make loud noises and can make holes in things.

It says what it says, for whatever reason: 'The rights of the citizenry to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'.

I know it's quaint, but that has just as much meaning as 'Secure from unreasonable search and siezure'.

Oddly, the people that seem to think the 2nd Amendment is important don't seem to have much respect for the other ones.



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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2007, 05:08:06 PM »

Oddly, the people that seem to think the 2nd Amendment is important don't seem to have much respect for the other ones.
And as oddly, the people who prize the other Amendments don't seem to have much use for the Second.


Perhaps the difference stems from the US's genesis as a breakaway colony from British rule (fighting for its independence and ever mindful of the former master's return) v. Australia's penal outpost beginnings ... ?

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2007, 05:15:17 PM »

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And as oddly, the people who prize the other Amendments don't seem to have much use for the Second.

I don't really think that's as true as certain elements would like us to believe that it is, in all honesty.

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2007, 06:58:48 PM »

Having been to Idaho numerous times, and many of those quite recently, I can certainly understand the need to go on a shooting spree.

That completely tasteless and inappropriate comment out of the way, the whole thing is quite sad. Not being an opponent of the 2nd amendment in any way, I agree that there are some truly sick individuals out there who don't deserve the right to keep and/or bear arms. If only there were a simple litmus test...
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2007, 07:05:41 PM »

On the plus side, first office ever killed on the Moscow police department says something.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007, 07:24:48 PM »

Yaaa, it says that the Moscow PD is apparently completely unprepared to deal with anything other than drunk college students from WSU and the University of Idaho.

Apparently, the gunman fired on the Sheriff's Department for 90 minutes before killing himself.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007, 09:03:58 PM »

We like guns.

They make loud noises and can make holes in things.

It says what it says, for whatever reason: 'The rights of the citizenry to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'.

I know it's quaint, but that has just as much meaning as 'Secure from unreasonable search and siezure'.

Oddly, the people that seem to think the 2nd Amendment is important don't seem to have much respect for the other ones.

Perhaps we need to further define what "arms" means. AFAIK, the framers of the Constitution knew only about muskets, musket balls, and gunpowder. We're already arbitrarily limiting the definition to exclude such "arms" as surface-to-air or submarine launched ballistic missiles, so why not take it one step further?
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 09:48:23 PM »

I'm pretty sure they knew about pistols as well, and let's not forget that
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It says what it says. If we don't like it, we can change it.

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2007, 10:33:49 PM »

I'm pretty sure they knew about pistols as well, and let's not forget that
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muskets, musket balls, and gunpowder
were state of the art military weaponry at a time when many Armies in Europe were still using pikes.

It says what it says. If we don't like it, we can change it.

The subject is closed at my end.

It says what it says, but the meaning of what it says is always subject to interpretation. That's the reason we have 9 justices on the bench of the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2007, 06:50:05 AM »

I'm pretty sure they knew about pistols as well, and let's not forget that
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muskets, musket balls, and gunpowder
were state of the art military weaponry at a time when many Armies in Europe were still using pikes.

It says what it says. If we don't like it, we can change it.

The subject is closed at my end.

It says what it says, but the meaning of what it says is always subject to interpretation. That's the reason we have 9 justices on the bench of the Supreme Court.

Until the early thirties, the Supremes agreed that it says exactly what it says.

A private person could buy pretty much anything.

'Activist Judges' and all that...

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2007, 08:20:35 AM »

You can pry my .38 and my Winchester rifle from my cold dead hands and as I've said before.

"You're a daisy if you do"

My fear is that: King Georgies Boys, The Hessians, The Spanish,The Damn Krauts, The pesky Japs, The Stormtroopers, The VC Al-Qaida will come marching down my street any day now.  You really don't want me to give up my weapons, you want me on that fence, you need me on that fence.

I don't know the answer for psychos like this, someday science will allow us to pinpoint the "psycho gene", but until that day me giving up my weapons is not the answer.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2007, 05:00:40 PM »

Did he go into a church as a response to that 'Because I'm not allowed in Schools' email that was going round after the VA Tech shootings?
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2007, 06:46:01 PM »

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My fear is that: King Georgies Boys, The Hessians, The Spanish,The Damn Krauts, The pesky Japs, The Stormtroopers, The VC Al-Qaida will come marching down my street any day now.  You really don't want me to give up my weapons, you want me on that fence, you need me on that fence.

The truth is, well YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!  Grin


The truth is that the  right to bear arms has very, very little to do with The Japs, etc, etc...
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