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Blood Boiling And Yet Cold
« on: September 07, 2007, 09:58:30 AM »

Saw this on another board:

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SAN ANTONIO -- Guadalupe County authorities arrested a group of teens who they said tortured a dog to death in an abandonded home on Tuesday.

Police said the three boys ages 12, 14, and 16 walked into Stephanie Tavere's yard and stole her beloved dog Tobey.

Officers said the teens took the dog to an abandoned house and repeatedly threw the dog out of a second story window.

After its legs were broken, the boys hung the dog in a tree and proceeded to beat it like a pinata, authorities said.

Police said the teens ended up decapitating the dog.


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On a beach in Mexico, years ago, some kind of small seabird was struggling in the waves. Every time it was together enough to break loose and fly, another wave would knock it back down. I swam out and gathered him up. On the beach he died in my hands. For whatever reason I broke down and cried like never before in my adult life. My girlfriend didn't understand it. I didn't either, really. Did I believe I may have frightened it to death because it was too weak to withstand the stress of capture? Was it the fact that he died in my hands? Was it his hopeless struggle to survive. All I know is that there was life in my hands, and then it was gone.

When I read the story of the dog being tortured, I fought back tears, and especially rage. I am non-violent to the core (I can run faster scared than I can mad) but in the moment of intense rage I believe myself capable of relieving someone of his skin. Of course I listen to reason. If only those boys could feel that deep sense of oneness and love in its most simple form. A dog will DIE for you. I need to stop now...
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Re: Blood Boiling And Yet Cold
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 10:12:53 AM »

Sad Sad Sad

Sick little bastards.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2007, 10:18:59 AM »

Unbelievable.  Sad
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Re: Blood Boiling And Yet Cold
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 10:30:53 AM »

 Cry   Horrible children.


(Not as serious, I guess, but I once saw a 15-year-old boy who thought it was funny to dribble a basketball next to a baby bird that obviously couldn't fly yet.  Each time the ball bounced, the bird would hop away, and the boy would just bounce the ball as close to it as possible again.  You can guess what happened next.  The boy just walked away from the crushed bird a minute later.)

What gives with these nasty teenage boys??  Most of the homicides in the major cities have both victims and killers that are male and < 24 years old.  Where's the respect for other living creatures?
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 10:34:08 AM »

That was extremely hard to read.  Sad



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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 10:37:15 AM »

We had a dog a few years back that we had rescued from an abusive situation. At the time we had no idea how badly abused she must have been, or how badly scarred she was as a result.

She was a very sweet, loving, and gentle dog, but she was also skittish and unpredictable. Weird things would set her off, and we very seldom knew what or why. If I ever approached her wearing a ball cap or dark sunglasses, she would find the nearest piece of furniture and hide behind it, shaking. The sound of loud trucks approaching would send her into a state of total panic, causing her to become destructive (we lost a couch, several pillows, a couple of large patches of carpet...). If I ever raised my voice, for any reason, she'd urinate and collapse in an almost epileptic state.

We had her for a few years, trying several different techniques to help rehabilitate her. Finally we had to put her on anti-psychotic medication, which worked for a while but after about 6 months she was back to the same. Eventually she began to deteriorate to the point of being so unpredictable we couldn't do anything to control her. She became very physically aggressive towards Monte, to the point of which he was becoming frightened of her (he still has scars on his ears and lips).

It became very clear that she was too far gone for us to do anything and we finally ended up putting her down, for her own good. While I held her in my arms as she breathed her final breaths, I sobbed like I hadn't in my entire adult life. I remember thinking that if I ever again encountered the man who made her like this I doubted I'd be able to control my rage.

The idea that a person, or group of people, is capable of treating an animal this way makes my physically ill. The idea that it's likely a first offense and will probably be written off simply as a case of "boys being boys" makes me angry. The fact that things like this go on much more frequently than we see them in the news, and yet there's still debate over whether animal abuse should be treated like a violent crime, makes me worry about the state of humanity.
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Re: Blood Boiling And Yet Cold
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 10:42:58 AM »

The guy I listen to on the drive home does a segment every Friday titled: "Done as a society"

I have no doubt this will top the list today.  And I would have to agree.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 10:46:45 AM »

Some people just don't get it. They have become numb. Could it be tv or movies? I don't want to lay any blame. I know while I grew up I burned ants with a magnifying lens. Do I think I valued life? Probably not until I was in the Navy and faced my own mortality. There were a couple instances that I could have died but did not. I know what that feels like and I can respect other's lives.

After I got out of the Navy I had to have a dog put to sleep. Hardest thing I had to do, and I only had him 3 months.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 10:58:52 AM »

I think we've all read that many of the most violent criminals such as serial murderers and rapists have had past history of animal cruelty. I watched the related video clip for this news story, and it was reported that the 3 adolescents showed "no remorse" for their actions. Were these kids born predisposed with an inability to feel empathy or were they groomed this way?
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 11:02:42 AM »

I think we've all read that many of the most violent criminals such as serial murderers and rapists have had past history of animal cruelty. I watched the related video clip for this news story, and it was reported that the 3 adolescents showed "no remorse" for their actions. Were these kids born predisposed with an inability to feel empathy or were they groomed this way?
That is a very interesting question. I would think a little of both. Humans are animals after all so I am sure there is some part in all of us that is "wild" and prone to violence. Most of us can control it. These boys probably experienced things that allow that rage to come out.

But I think I am stating the obvious.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 11:18:48 AM »

We had a dog a few years back that we had rescued from an abusive situation. At the time we had no idea how badly abused she must have been, or how badly scarred she was as a result.

She was a very sweet, loving, and gentle dog, but she was also skittish and unpredictable. Weird things would set her off, and we very seldom knew what or why. If I ever approached her wearing a ball cap or dark sunglasses, she would find the nearest piece of furniture and hide behind it, shaking. The sound of loud trucks approaching would send her into a state of total panic, causing her to become destructive (we lost a couch, several pillows, a couple of large patches of carpet...). If I ever raised my voice, for any reason, she'd urinate and collapse in an almost epileptic state.
Our bigger dog (the one in my FGI avatar) was a rescue.  We met his breeder, and she knew the family that had him before he came to us.  He was very afraid of any man holding anything approaching a stick (broom, umbrella, yardstick -- you name it).  Didn't like little kids for reasons we knew; had no problems with women, even women holding stick-like things.  Previous owner sent us a color printout of some pics of our dog as a puppy (we got him when he was two, so we missed out on that cute phase).  Husband looks like an *bunghole* in the family photo.

On the ballcap thing: we were walking through the park one day, and a couple and their dog were approaching.  Our dog was not well socialized, so we're always on the lookout for oncoming dogs and make efforts to show that other dogs aren't threats, they're good things.  The two couples met, exchanged pleasantries, and I reached down to let their dog sniff my hand, then squatted to pet him while my wife chatted with them.  I'm scrubbing his ears, scratching his neck, etc., and they immediately started gushing about how he let me touch him while wearing a ballcap -- apparently, that dog let no man in a cap ever get near him.  Makes you wonder why men seem to be the ones abusing animals.  (FWIW, I believe Jeffrey Dahmer started out on animals.)

(I never really thought about it, but my wife remarked after we'd had our dog a couple years and had been to countless dog parks and around other digs that I have something of a Dog Whisperer property about me.  Maybe it's my love of dogs that they sense; maybe it's my hirsuteness; maybe it's that I lick my ass.  The point is, I have it.)
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 11:35:27 AM »

hirsuteness

Alright, I had to look it up.  Happy now?
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 11:38:58 AM »

hirsuteness

Alright, I had to look it up.  Happy now?
Looking at the pic in Clive's avatar, he don't know hirsute from a hole in the ground. I tend to believe his ability to lick his own ass. That's first year law school right there.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2007, 11:42:46 AM »

hirsuteness

Alright, I had to look it up.  Happy now?

 Laughing lol
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2007, 11:46:40 AM »

thats just plain sick. Sad
 i am not a dog person. not down with the poop collecting and all that. or slobber. definitely not slobber. Wink
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