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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2007, 02:39:41 PM »

An emotional exercise?  Nah, it's preferential.

Same thing  Wink



If you do look again - try Yahoo, Gmail, MSN/Hotmail, even *shudder* AOL.  Local and regional providers give you bare bones email - I've never used it.

As for receipts - they will respond or they won't - can't force em.  Receipts play no role there - which is why I find them useless.  Several people use them to 'test' people they are sending email to.  Many therefore consider it rude and offensive.  The practice of using receipts is even frowned upon here at work (where I have to use Outlook) and the email team has discussed turning the option off completely.  If only they would take the advice of Jack Welch and remove the 'reply-all' buttons too  Wink



That's debatable. Cheesy  And I like to debate. Cheesy Cheesy

Gmail is my junk account (horrifyingly slow loading). Cheesy  Hotmail is my secondary ('cause messenger alerts me every time I get an e-mail; great for forum replies Cool).  I don't care for yahoo, and aol makes me cringe.

I've never thought of receipts from that angle, because I personally don't mind sending them.  In fact, I'd have them on auto if it wasn't for the fact that I put myself in the "to:" and use bcc for everyone else when sending mass e-mails*, but I don't want receipts from myself. Cheesy  I don't *think* my friends care, though.  Those that send them are the ones who know how to put it on auto, and I *think* they do.  But the last 2 points are speculation. 

Yeah, that reply all button has got to go.  How many times has their actually been a need to use it compared to how many times it's "accidentally" been used?



*that's a pet peeve of mine.  I don't need everyone's friends and friends' extended family getting my address.  Then, to top it off, that friend's extended family member gets the idea to forward it to all their friends and their friends' extended family members!  Vicious cycle.
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2007, 02:50:35 PM »



No.  Cuz I Outlook's automatic recognition of contact names, cuz I like to use some of the paragraph format options, and cuz it can request receipts.

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I thought you were a Thunderbird user. Scratches Head
(or was that post meant as a "cuz Im in yur mailspool" LOLcat-style joke?)

I recommend Thunderbird.  It's basic; it's great for what most people want.  And it's great for people who don't want OE.  We set it up for my Mom and Dad.  It's perfect for them.

However, I use Outlook.  Once I switched from OE to Outlook, there was no going back.  If Mozilla ever makes an alternative for Outlook, I'd probably jump.  (More than probably....)
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2007, 02:50:55 PM »


Yeah, that reply all button has got to go.  How many times has their actually been a need to use it compared to how many times it's "accidentally" been used?


I use it "purposely" a dozen times a day.  It's a flat-out major time saver in my working environment.  Given 90% of my communication is collaborative in nature I can't imagine being without it.  Most of the time I don't even have the other addressees in an available address book.  I'd be cutting-and-pasting half my days.
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2007, 02:55:34 PM »

I used to find email receipts offensive, but now I just assume it's a newbie with bad netiquette.

I had an amusing phone conversation a few years ago when someone asked why I hadn't read or responded to their email, and I told them they'd receive a response after the punitive "one-week delay for requesting receipt" is up.

lol, that's funny!



Interesting perspectives regarding receipts.  I should have started a thread a long time ago.
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2007, 02:56:46 PM »

anyone that has ever worked on a gubmint related project would know just about 50 emails a day go out with the reply all... and it HAS to be that way....
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2007, 02:59:09 PM »

You're wrong about webmail though.  It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use.   Wink

A slave to the auto-notify are we?  Wink

I've used both for extended periods, and cannot imagine why you think webmail blows  Don't Know

* Response times of a browser v. POP client
* Drag-and-drop capability for attachments
* Off-line accessibility
* Security (granted, only if you know what you're doing)
* Search capability
* Multiple accounts combined as desired with client app

Webmail has its place.  I use it when I travel.  I actually have 3-4 webmail accounts (Google Apps for the most part) but I enable POP and use Thunderbird.  The only concession I give to webmail is the fact that I don't have to worry about keeping SPAM filters current.  With a decent mail admin this is handled anyway but we all know decent mail admins are hard to come by.  Good ones are usually too smart to leave them as mail admins.

Finally, someone who agrees with me (other than Kev)!
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2007, 03:00:01 PM »

Is it email free Friday yet?


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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2007, 03:00:20 PM »


Yeah, that reply all button has got to go.  How many times has their actually been a need to use it compared to how many times it's "accidentally" been used?


I use it "purposely" a dozen times a day.  It's a flat-out major time saver in my working environment.  Given 90% of my communication is collaborative in nature I can't imagine being without it.  Most of the time I don't even have the other addressees in an available address book.  I'd be cutting-and-pasting half my days.

Okay, we'll leave it on for you.  Seems like you might be in the minority, but minorities rule, right? Cheesy

I have used it "purposefully", too.  I would say though, most people don't have a use for it, especially home users.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2007, 03:02:35 PM »

Is it email free Friday yet?


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lol.  No!
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2007, 03:07:54 PM »

Purposely v. purposefully. 

I figured someone would go there.  I also figured that someone would be EAGLE. Smiley

I like mine better.

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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2007, 03:14:10 PM »

Purposely v. purposefully. 

I figured someone would go there.  I also figured that someone would be EAGLE. Smiley

I like mine better.



lol. 

Yeah, I meant purposely, mistyped it, edited it (not paying enough attention to my choice apparently - ugh).  Bunch of mistakes these last few days.  Oh, well.  Both words could be accurate in this case.  Though, I like your choice better, too.
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2007, 03:16:15 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2007, 04:10:13 PM »

You're wrong about webmail though.  It blows for 40+ hours-per-week use.   Wink

A slave to the auto-notify are we?  Wink

I've used both for extended periods, and cannot imagine why you think webmail blows  Don't Know

* Response times of a browser v. POP client
* Drag-and-drop capability for attachments
* Off-line accessibility
* Security (granted, only if you know what you're doing)
* Search capability
* Multiple accounts combined as desired with client app

Webmail has its place.  I use it when I travel.  I actually have 3-4 webmail accounts (Google Apps for the most part) but I enable POP and use Thunderbird.  The only concession I give to webmail is the fact that I don't have to worry about keeping SPAM filters current.  With a decent mail admin this is handled anyway but we all know decent mail admins are hard to come by.  Good ones are usually too smart to leave them as mail admins.

*Response time - ok, but thats pretty minimal
*Attachments - a peeve of mine*, but drag and drop can sometimes save time.
*Offline - a pretty limited use case, and one I thought of before responding the first time - fits in my 5% rule.
*Security - do you mean encryption? cus both can do that.  Other than that I disagree - having any local storage is inherently less secure.  I just received my third letter this year from yet another financial institution that had a laptop stolen and customer data compromised.
*Search - I have this too.
*Multiple accounts - ok, I can have multiple, but when responding to email I cannot change how it appears to others (to make it look like it came form the original account).



*Attachments peeve - its always bugged me that people within a company use email as a file sharing application.  Send 10 people 10 copies of a file thats already on the damned shared storage, then email out 5 additional copies to 10 people for every revision...  UGH.  A link to the file is too much to ask??

But hey - storage is cheap right?  Not so fast.  30,000 employees, loads of highly reliable storage (EMC or IBM SAN), then replicate it across two data centers, add in a regulated industry where you must archive ALL emails for 7 years... you got yourself a mess.  I'm not on the email team, but the last evaluation done exposed to us that over 60% of our email storage was being consumed by duplicate files (many of which didn't need to be there to begin with).  Half a million here, half a million there, half a million over yonder - soon enough it adds up to real money.  All because we cannot change the behavior of users that got used to something and won't change.

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« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2007, 05:07:36 PM »

*Response time - ok, but thats pretty minimal

I couldn't disagree more.  That's why I listed it first.  I can arrow down through 30 emails glancing at the first line in 30 seconds.  No chance in webmail.  Unless of course you have a kick ass webmail I've not seen.

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*Attachments - a peeve of mine*, but drag and drop can sometimes save time.

Your rant at the bottom is logical but as you know internet mail is a tinker's nightmare.  It's a hodge-podge of standards some of which, including SMTP and mail-related DNS, couldn't have remotely contemplated what it has become.  I tell you what.  Get my boss to quit sending out attachments and I will too.  For that matter, get the COO or IT Director to do so.  Good luck.

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*Offline - a pretty limited use case, and one I thought of before responding the first time - fits in my 5% rule.

At home or office, yes.  Laptop on the road, no.  On a plane trip I can create a dozen drafts and kick 'em all out the door when I land.  Sames goes for a bus or commuter train.  Not huge for me as I don't travel much but for some it's huge.

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*Security - do you mean encryption? cus both can do that.  Other than that I disagree - having any local storage is inherently less secure.  I just received my third letter this year from yet another financial institution that had a laptop stolen and customer data compromised.

Local storage is not inherently less secure.  Physical security is one page one of the security handbook and wraps up the epilogue to boot.  Having my private personal or confidential business email available to anyone who can gain my password is a huge exposure.  I'm not saying people don't leave their laptops in their backseat or expose their home network to anyone.  That's why I included a caveat in my response.  However, I'm very happy that I control where my data is and who has access to it.

I recognize that you're coming from a different perspective than a small company or individual.  Your corporate webmail may be housed at NSA but most of the world uses a service.  If that service's security is breached, or if a credentialed employee at that service decides he wants to read everything I've ever sent, I'm toast.

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*Search - I have this too.

I submit not as fast, customizable or eloquent as mine but that's probably open to debate. 

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*Multiple accounts - ok, I can have multiple, but when responding to email I cannot change how it appears to others (to make it look like it came form the original account).

I mean multiple accounts in one place.  I can't merge my Google mail with my Yahoo mail with my AOL mail.  On my desktop I have all my accounts in one place.  I can filter and drop according to my wishes.  One login gets me everything.




Oh, one more thing, forged kicks ass.
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