Aske
Lederhosen
Karma: 120 Posts: 31405
 Offline
 
|
 |
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2008, 09:00:07 AM » |
|
You've lost me.
I don't think the NE OFFENSE was the slightest bit overrated. A Giants defense that was able to contain them IS impressive, in my opinion.
I think the biggest difference (scoring-wise) between this game and any other game is that the Gints offense was able to sustain long drives to keep the Patriots offense off the field. The Patriots didn't even touch the ball until almost 10 minutes into the game. If you compare the drive charts between the AFCCG and the SB, you'll see a similar level of success by the Pats offense. Through the first 9 drives (which is all they got in the SB): AFCCG: 2 TDs, 4 punts, 2 turnovers, half SB: 2 TDs, 4 punts, 1 turnover, 2 downs So, to me, the Gints defense didn't play any better than the Chargers defense. The reason that the Chargers lost is because the Pats defense came up huge on 3 goal line stands. If not for those big defensive stops, the Pats would have ended the season 17-1 rather than 18-1. In the SB, other than the INT off the hands of Smith, which was really due to luck rather than good defense, the Pats defense made no big plays in this game as far as I can remember. So I'm inclined to give the Gints offense a lot of credit for this win. Simply not turning over the ball (more than they did) was huge. then again, also keep in mind: AFC title game: played outdoors in a fairly brisk wind. both QB's seemed to need at least the 1st quarter to find much 'rhythm' in it, and neither ever really looked comfortable with long or finesse throws all game . compare to the perfect conditions in the SB. AFC title game: LT did not really play (outside of 1st 5 plays IIRC?) and I would love* to see a % of all SD scoring plays originating inside the RZ that he touches the ball in some form on. even if he is simply a motion decoy out of the flat , he commands far more attention from the defense than any of his backups... both for his running... AND his passing skills. this partially offsets the fact they don't have a prototypical 'fade' receiver or slot threat... which keeps their offense usually on line to score a good amount of TD's in the RZ. combine that with the fact that the RZ is where NE defense is actually good.. and it's little surprise (at least to me) that in that game the NE defense looked amazing compared to the SB. of course, the gints had both their main RB's , and do have an elite 'fade' receiver as well as at least a quasi-competant slot receiver.... anyways, what i still don't get is why hobbs was playing burress on that last TD instead of samuel. |
|
|
|
|
Logged 
|
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. -- Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka |
|
|
Seamus
Straitjacket
Karma: 52 Posts: 2376
OfflineI'm a juvenile acting product of the working class
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2008, 09:11:22 AM » |
|
I think the old axiom of the game being won in the trenches applied here. The battle between the Giants defensive front 7 and the Pats O' line was incredible the whole game. Defense isn't always about making the spectacular play, it's also about keeping offenses out of rhythm and Brady rushed several passes that should have been easy cheesy. Both defenses did a great job of disrupting the other offenses rhythm. On the other hand the Giants O' line did a much better job of protecting Eli than I thought they could, that final drive was fun to watch, it hinged on a very lucky catch, but luck is the design of practice and timing.
Only time will tell if this was one of the great games "evar", but I am inclined initially to say yes. Only three or four times in the history of the Super Bowl has a double digit under dog won, they did it with an incredible pass rush that kept the greatest offense this game has ever seen so totally out of sync they didn't know where they were.
I'm not a charts and graphs kinda guy, I'm a gut feeling dude, I liked what I saw as I was watching it and waking up today nothing has been said or done to change the gut feeling.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
stroh
Sleeveless Hoodie From: Impact Crater Springs, CA
Karma: 155 Posts: 16135
OfflineWe're doomed!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2008, 09:13:24 AM » |
|
Bunch of *fudge*in' hip.s. In the two weeks leading up to the game, I read/heard in the media how the 18-0 Pat.s team wasn't even close to the greatest NFL team.  But now those same clowns are terming the New York Football Giants achievement as the biggest upset in NFL history. Those two don't seem to reconcile. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Seamus
Straitjacket
Karma: 52 Posts: 2376
OfflineI'm a juvenile acting product of the working class
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2008, 09:19:46 AM » |
|
The biggest upset in NFL history If not, it's pretty close. I read/heard in the media how the 18-0 Pat.s team weren't even close to the greatest NFL team. Can't argue that they were the greatest "offensive" team. If they would have won obviously the best team ever. For me the '85 Chicago Bears is still the greatest defensive team ever, but that's another thread. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gleek
Flak Jacket
Karma: 107 Posts: 9510
OfflineE chu ta!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2008, 09:19:53 AM » |
|
Bunch of *fudge*in' hip.s. In the two weeks leading up to the game, I read/heard in the media how the 18-0 Pat.s team wasn't even close to the greatest NFL team. But now those same clowns are terming the New York Football Giants achievement as the biggest upset in NFL history. Those two don't seem to reconcile. They can be reconciled if you believed that these Gints were the WORST TEAM EVAR to make the SB. DVOA.surrenders |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Woman, open the door, don't let it sting. I wanna breathe that fire again.
|
|
|
Seamus
Straitjacket
Karma: 52 Posts: 2376
OfflineI'm a juvenile acting product of the working class
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2008, 09:22:54 AM » |
|
They can be reconciled if you believed that these Gints were the WORST TEAM EVAR to make the SB. I can only surmise that Aaron Schatz is the village idiot. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Aske
Lederhosen
Karma: 120 Posts: 31405
Offline
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2008, 10:02:44 AM » |
|
They can be reconciled if you believed that these Gints were the WORST TEAM EVAR to make the SB. DVOA.surrenders lol, they're also about 1/10 teams ever (ok, modern era of DVOA anyways!) to ride a 40% 4+ game (probably about to be 5 games) DVOA streak- one which they did AT THE EXACT RIGHT TIME. into and through the playoffs. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. -- Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka |
|
|
Aske
Lederhosen
Karma: 120 Posts: 31405
Offline
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2008, 10:13:19 AM » |
|
They can be reconciled if you believed that these Gints were the WORST TEAM EVAR to make the SB. DVOA.surrenders lol, they're also about 1/10 teams ever (ok, modern era of DVOA anyways!) to ride a 40% 4+ game (probably about to be 5 games) DVOA streak- one which they did AT THE EXACT RIGHT TIME. into and through the playoffs. re-reading gleeks link, its interesting schatz wrote all that up that way. a lot of his own hard work in FO/DVOA and several other pre-SB week articles are invaluable predictors of exactly what happened in this game http://www.footballoutsid...lings/game-previews/6079/http://www.footballoutsid...blings/dvoa-ratings/6057/in particular, note NYG 4week run RZ performance on offense. 71% . phenomenal, with total offensive DVOA on a major trend rise |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. -- Chimpy McFlightsuit, CEO of Bu$hco Industries of 'Merka |
|
|
gleek
Flak Jacket
Karma: 107 Posts: 9510
OfflineE chu ta!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2008, 10:51:43 AM » |
|
Check this out: "They were inviting us to their parties after the game," said Giants wide receiver Amani Toomer. "They showed us no respect."
If that's true, then the Patriots are dumber than ever thought possible. It's bad enough they couldn't block, couldn't run, couldn't throw, couldn't catch, couldn't tackle and couldn't even try a 49-yard field goal when it counted. But to treat the Giants as though their defeat was a foregone conclusion was football suicide.
LMAO |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Woman, open the door, don't let it sting. I wanna breathe that fire again.
|
|
|
stroh
Sleeveless Hoodie From: Impact Crater Springs, CA
Karma: 155 Posts: 16135
OfflineWe're doomed!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2008, 10:54:30 AM » |
|
What the *fudge* does this mean? You only get one chance at 19-0. One.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gleek
Flak Jacket
Karma: 107 Posts: 9510
OfflineE chu ta!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2008, 11:02:35 AM » |
|
What the *fudge* does this mean? You only get one chance at 19-0. One. It means that the stars had to align for this team to get to 18-0 with one game remaining and that it won't happen for them again next season or in any season hence. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Woman, open the door, don't let it sting. I wanna breathe that fire again.
|
|
|
stroh
Sleeveless Hoodie From: Impact Crater Springs, CA
Karma: 155 Posts: 16135
OfflineWe're doomed!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2008, 12:11:26 PM » |
|
What the *fudge* does this mean? You only get one chance at 19-0. One. It means that the stars had to align for this team to get to 18-0 with one game remaining and that it won't happen for them again next season or in any season hence. That's ridiculous. Several 15 and 1 teams. There is no evidence to suggest that they can not pick up where they left off in the next season. I don't have a link to support it, but I heard on the radio that at one point (I think it was the '05 season, into the '06) They had run off 22 straight games. I would say more probable than improbable, and certainly not impossible. I think the author of the article made an ignorant statement.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gleek
Flak Jacket
Karma: 107 Posts: 9510
OfflineE chu ta!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2008, 02:23:33 PM » |
|
This astrologer made some predictions that were spot on. - luck for Eli - bad karma for Brady - Belichick taking uncalculated risks |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Woman, open the door, don't let it sting. I wanna breathe that fire again.
|
|
|
stroh
Sleeveless Hoodie From: Impact Crater Springs, CA
Karma: 155 Posts: 16135
OfflineWe're doomed!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2008, 02:25:56 PM » |
|
She talks funny.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gleek
Flak Jacket
Karma: 107 Posts: 9510
OfflineE chu ta!
|
|
Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2008, 02:37:00 PM » |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Woman, open the door, don't let it sting. I wanna breathe that fire again.
|
|
|
