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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2008, 08:06:15 PM »

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Love defense.  One of the best Super Bowls ever I think.
Ditto on the loving defense, and ditto on the one of the best ever.

I really wanted to see an undefeated team again, but this was a great game.

Then again I love soccer and watching no hitters.  Undecided
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2008, 08:07:10 PM »

In gambling the only thing that matters is the spread. I actually did think they had a chance to win. Just like the last few games the Pats have played in which they looked very beatable. And I didn't think the New York football Giants could hold them to 14 points.

yeh, I know, I just felt like pointing out my gut was right but I didn't trust it because crisco agreed.  of cours actually picking to the spread is harder in the long haul.  (if you notice, i did still agree the gints would win with the spread  Wink )


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I really thought it would be a similar game to the one they played in week 17 with the Giants falling just short.


i thought it would be lower scoring, but gints would win based on better pass rush and more effective running game (per F.O)
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2008, 08:20:10 PM »

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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2008, 08:24:19 PM »

In gambling the only thing that matters is the spread. I actually did think they had a chance to win. Just like the last few games the Pats have played in which they looked very beatable. And I didn't think the New York football Giants could hold them to 14 points.

yeh, I know, I just felt like pointing out my gut was right but I didn't trust it because crisco agreed.  of cours actually picking to the spread is harder in the long haul.  (if you notice, i did still agree the gints would win with the spread  Wink )


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I really thought it would be a similar game to the one they played in week 17 with the Giants falling just short.


i thought it would be lower scoring, but gints would win based on better pass rush and more effective running game (per F.O)
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2008, 08:24:32 PM »

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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2008, 08:58:36 PM »

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My dad was cheering for the Pats, too. 

Reasoning for the Giants to win:
I don't care for Brady. 
I don't care for Belicheck and his coaching style.
I think that their celebration in the years ahead would be far worse than just raising champagne. 

Reasoning for the Pats to win:
I didn't really want Eli to win the SuperBowl, either.
It would be nice for Seau to have a ring.
My dad is cheering for the Pats, and that always pulls me that direction just a bit.  (I'll always be a Daddy's Girl. Cheesy)

I wouldn't have been crushed if the Patriots won, just as it wouldn't have crushed me if the Giants had won had I been cheering for the Pats. I guess what it came down to was that I'd like to see the Giants win just a little bit more, marginally so, and only because I had less I disliked about them.  But, you know, I haven't had to put up with 36 years of the Dolphins celebrating, either.  And I think that's a major difference.  (Or that's a major difference for my dad and me.)
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2008, 10:16:40 PM »

If not for the hype surrounding the Patriots, would this SB have been one of the more boring ones? Except for the sacks on Brady, I didn't see THAT many great defensive plays for a game that could be called a defensive struggle. During the low-scoring 2nd and 3rd quarters, the only reason I stayed interested in the game is because of the Patriots' potential of scoring on any given play. This made defensive stops by the Giants look more impressive than they really were.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2008, 10:24:40 PM »

During the low-scoring 2nd and 3rd quarters, the only reason I stayed interested in the game is because of the Patriots' potential of scoring on any given play. This made defensive stops by the Giants look more impressive than they really were.
Look more impressive than they really were?  The highest-scoring offense in the history of professional football, able to score on any play, an ability which you concede kept your interest in the game ... and when the Giants stop them, it's not ACTUALLY impressive?

The NYG defense executed the "blueprint" better than any team.  Not that there's anything special about the "blueprint" itself: harry Brady, cover Moss.  Teams have known that since about Week 4.  What was special tonight was the Giants' execution of it.

I think we also saw that the NE defense was a bit overrated.  When they're in a closer game and the opposing offense can mix plays, they aren't nearly as dominant as their league rankings imply.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2008, 10:51:45 PM »

During the low-scoring 2nd and 3rd quarters, the only reason I stayed interested in the game is because of the Patriots' potential of scoring on any given play. This made defensive stops by the Giants look more impressive than they really were.
Look more impressive than they really were?  The highest-scoring offense in the history of professional football, able to score on any play, an ability which you concede kept your interest in the game ... and when the Giants stop them, it's not ACTUALLY impressive?

The NYG defense executed the "blueprint" better than any team.  Not that there's anything special about the "blueprint" itself: harry Brady, cover Moss.  Teams have known that since about Week 4.  What was special tonight was the Giants' execution of it.

I think we also saw that the NE defense was a bit overrated.  When they're in a closer game and the opposing offense can mix plays, they aren't nearly as dominant as their league rankings imply.

But that's exactly what I mean. The defensive performance was impressive only because of what the Patriot's offense did in other games and not necessarily because of what the Giants did in this game. For an observer that's unfamiliar with the hype, I think this SB probably seemed to be just a so-so game in terms of offensive and defensive performances. The one thing that this game had going for it was the number of lead changes, but I guess having ANY lead change at all in a SB makes it more exciting.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2008, 11:12:12 PM »

You've lost me.

I don't think the NE OFFENSE was the slightest bit overrated.  A Giants defense that was able to contain them IS impressive, in my opinion.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2008, 06:22:10 AM »

If not for the hype surrounding the Patriots, would this SB have been one of the more boring ones? Except for the sacks on Brady, I didn't see THAT many great defensive plays for a game that could be called a defensive struggle. During the low-scoring 2nd and 3rd quarters, the only reason I stayed interested in the game is because of the Patriots' potential of scoring on any given play. This made defensive stops by the Giants look more impressive than they really were.

I don't know the final stats but throughout the game Brady was on his back on 50% of his drop backs.  There were outstanding plays by both secondaries (that's what kept the Pats in the game in my view).  The running game wasn't worthy of highlight reels but there were plenty of hard tackles and extra efforts to pick up five yards.  Throw in some wicked special teams coverage and I think this was an extremely well played game.

I'd put it right up.  Thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2008, 06:32:22 AM »

Boy did that game suck.  I've seen games that sucked before, but that had to be the suckiest bunch of suck to ever suck.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2008, 07:31:24 AM »

the defensive performance was dominating because a pass rush of about 70% straight 4 man line schemes with a mix in of about 25% 1 man blitz and 5% 2 man blitz  got consistent quick pressure on brady  vs  an O-line that has 3 (at least 2 legit) pro bowlers.  this forced a lot of te/rb  sets for added protection that normally release an added receiver into the underneath/sideline flats causing the usual wider zone holes for deep balls  to be removed.  combine that with the dbacks playing significantly better than their season average  in not allowing lots of blown coverage big plays... and there you go.
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2008, 07:35:35 AM »

Boy did that game suck.  I've seen games that sucked before, but that had to be the suckiest bunch of suck to ever suck.

I defer to your expertise on the subject.   Wink
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Re: SuperBowl Sunday [SPOILERS]
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2008, 08:50:06 AM »

You've lost me.

I don't think the NE OFFENSE was the slightest bit overrated.  A Giants defense that was able to contain them IS impressive, in my opinion.

I think the biggest difference (scoring-wise) between this game and any other game is that the Gints offense was able to sustain long drives to keep the Patriots offense off the field. The Patriots didn't even touch the ball until almost 10 minutes into the game.

If you compare the drive charts between the AFCCG and the SB, you'll see a similar level of success by the Pats offense.

Through the first 9 drives (which is all they got in the SB):
AFCCG: 2 TDs, 4 punts, 2 turnovers, half
SB: 2 TDs, 4 punts, 1 turnover, 2 downs

So, to me, the Gints defense didn't play any better than the Chargers defense. The reason that the Chargers lost is because the Pats defense came up huge on 3 goal line stands. If not for those big defensive stops, the Pats would have ended the season 17-1 rather than 18-1.

In the SB, other than the INT off the hands of Smith, which was really due to luck rather than good defense, the Pats defense made no big plays in this game as far as I can remember. So I'm inclined to give the Gints offense a lot of credit for this win. Simply not turning over the ball (more than they did) was huge.
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