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Aske, gleek et al........
« on: October 08, 2008, 08:28:37 PM »

Watching WSOP.  Helmuth just went ballistic, calling this dude all sorts of names and trashing him.  (personally, I don't care what his beef was, I would have stood up and said "Try calling me an idiot one more time and see if I don't come across this table and light you up you pompous *fudge*."  But that's just me.

So, no name dude has 10, Q.  Helmuth has pocket 8's.  I wasn't paying that close attention to the beginning, but I believe it was the normal bet check stuff.

Flop:  9 6 J.  Bet, bet, call.

Turn:  8.  Helmuth  check.  No name dude:  Call bet.  Helmuth call.  River:  Irrelevant. 

Helmuth gets up and starts ranting about a call raise with (at this point, what he thinks/assumes is a 10, Q)  How he has a "set", etc.

Sure enough, No name dude smokes him with the straight.

So my question is why was he so pissed?  Seems to me the guy played it the way you should.  Got the card he needed on the turn, but so did Helmuth.......

Seriously being a real loud vocal ass.  Like I said, I would have knocked the *feces* out of him.

What am I missing?  Bad Poker etiquette?
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Re: Aske, gleek et al........
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 08:41:12 PM »

You're asking me about bad poker etiquette? I'm notorious for string betting (in friendly games with buddies, that is Grin).
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 08:45:32 PM »

After doing a YouTube search for that particular hand, apparently this is just his modus operandi.

What a *8==>*.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 08:47:47 PM »

You're asking me about bad poker etiquette? I'm notorious for string betting (in friendly games with buddies, that is Grin).

LOL   Grin


All he kept screaming about (with *goshdarn* idiot laced lyrics ) was about him doing this call raise with a Q 10.

I can't see what his point was. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 08:49:28 PM »

I wasn't watching but have seen enough of Phil to know he's an *bunghole* of the highest level at the table.  He thinks no one should ever call his bets - that everyone should just lay down their cards because he made a raise.  Phil wants to play poker with the hole cards - he doesn't like flops, turns, or rivers - he wants to play with two cards.  Thats not poker and the *bunghole* knows it.  He just can't stand losing, ignores that gambling and luck are part of the game, and that its never his fault if he doesn't win.

Its amazing the crap he gets away with during his rants.  He should be tossed out but isn't because of who he is.  He gets all that special treatment and still thinks he deserves more.  Yes - a pompous *fudge* he is.

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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 09:05:37 PM »

Yup, Phil is a 1st rate *bunghole* whenever there's a camera around.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 06:19:44 PM »

I'm trying to remember the hand, I thought PH made a pretty sizable bet (something like $60,000) with pocket 8's versus a straight draw on the flop. Middle pairs are so hard to play which is why you probably over bet them to scare away flush and straight draws, pot odds dictate the dude probably should have folded, and hitting the straight on the turn or river will always send PH reeling.

Hellmuth is still worth the price of admission, and arguably the best hold 'em player ever, whiney...yup, an *bunghole*...no doubt, but the dude has like 10 or 11 championship bracelets (I think all in hold 'em), and he's still the youngest world champion of all time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 05:50:28 AM »

I'm trying to remember the hand, I thought PH made a pretty sizable bet (something like $60,000) with pocket 8's versus a straight draw on the flop. Middle pairs are so hard to play which is why you probably over bet them to scare away flush and straight draws, pot odds dictate the dude probably should have folded, and hitting the straight on the turn or river will always send PH reeling.

Hellmuth is still worth the price of admission, and arguably the best hold 'em player ever, whiney...yup, an *bunghole*...no doubt, but the dude has like 10 or 11 championship bracelets (I think all in hold 'em), and he's still the youngest world champion of all time.

Thanks brotha.  That makes some sense.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 08:15:25 AM »

I'm trying to remember the hand, I thought PH made a pretty sizable bet (something like $60,000) with pocket 8's versus a straight draw on the flop. Middle pairs are so hard to play which is why you probably over bet them to scare away flush and straight draws, pot odds dictate the dude probably should have folded, and hitting the straight on the turn or river will always send PH reeling.

Hellmuth is still worth the price of admission, and arguably the best hold 'em player ever, whiney...yup, an *bunghole*...no doubt, but the dude has like 10 or 11 championship bracelets (I think all in hold 'em), and he's still the youngest world champion of all time.

Thanks brotha.  That makes some sense.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 09:07:26 AM »

I'm trying to remember the hand, I thought PH made a pretty sizable bet (something like $60,000) with pocket 8's versus a straight draw on the flop. Middle pairs are so hard to play which is why you probably over bet them to scare away flush and straight draws, pot odds dictate the dude probably should have folded, and hitting the straight on the turn or river will always send PH reeling.

Hellmuth is still worth the price of admission, and arguably the best hold 'em player ever, whiney...yup, an *bunghole*...no doubt, but the dude has like 10 or 11 championship bracelets (I think all in hold 'em), and he's still the youngest world champion of all time.

Thanks brotha.  That makes some sense.


Phil is indeed a great player (better than I at least)... that said, his game is not* suited for big time modern tournament play anymore with the new generation of internet amateurs etc getting in.  He's too tentative to get it all in and prevent getting these "horrible beats" because he doesn't seem to really trust his reads anymore and make the right bet sizing.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 09:18:24 AM »

I'm trying to remember the hand, I thought PH made a pretty sizable bet (something like $60,000) with pocket 8's versus a straight draw on the flop. Middle pairs are so hard to play which is why you probably over bet them to scare away flush and straight draws, pot odds dictate the dude probably should have folded, and hitting the straight on the turn or river will always send PH reeling.

Hellmuth is still worth the price of admission, and arguably the best hold 'em player ever, whiney...yup, an *bunghole*...no doubt, but the dude has like 10 or 11 championship bracelets (I think all in hold 'em), and he's still the youngest world champion of all time.

Thanks brotha.  That makes some sense.


Phil is indeed a great player (better than I at least)... that said, his game is not* suited for big time modern tournament play anymore with the new generation of internet amateurs etc getting in.  He's too tentative to get it all in and prevent getting these "horrible beats" because he doesn't seem to really trust his reads anymore and make the right bet sizing.


Yeah, that was part of his rant.  I guess the guy he was pissed at was a pretty big/notorious online player.
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 09:53:28 AM »

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Phil is indeed a great player (better than I at least)... that said, his game is not* suited for big time modern tournament play anymore with the new generation of internet amateurs etc getting in.
Have to agree, his argument is that this "new generation" will call anything (and it's obvious they do). Which is contrary to the way he learned the game.
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