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And you wonder why people "steal" music
« on: October 03, 2007, 10:33:21 PM »

http://arstechnica.com/ne...-you-own-is-stealing.html



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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 10:53:12 PM »

*fudge* mainstream music, and any band involved with the riaa. 
(not advocating piracy in ANY way, but rather boycotting of any so called 'artist' that would legitimately want their material released by a company/consortium with such views)

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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 04:38:11 AM »

LOL. 

When I was a kid we used to buy vinyl and immediately record to cassette.  Pop the vinyl in a protective sleeve and bring it back out only when the cassette wore out.  All my albums have only 3-4 plays max.  I reckon my pristine copy of Krokus: Headhunter is worth millions by now.

I guess I've been a crook for a LONG time.
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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 05:11:07 AM »

After reading that article:  So what good is my ipod?

Is it the same as those funny little pipes that you can buy at the tobacco stores?  Perfectly legal to sell, and own, however what you put inside it may be an illegal activity?
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 05:45:36 AM »

Seems like record labels sense their imminent doom and are fighting for survival. I think the power of the masses will ultimately win. The problem the record labels have had is they were too slow to adapt, now that they are way behind it's too late.

And like UB I always made copies of my records. So what are the labels going to do, put everyone in jail? Make us pay a penalty?
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 07:48:36 AM »

It's interesting that while some labels are calling you a criminal for copying your own CDs, others are actually embracing DRM-free music. Amazon recently launched its MP3 download service, which has a fairly substantial catalog, so some of the major labels had to have given Amazon their blessings.

The way they have to position this service is to convince customers that it's far better to pay a nominal fee (it's only 89 cents!) to get the best possible transfer, at a high bit rate, with all the tags automatically populated than it is to copy the files from a P2P source with no guarantee of any of this. I think all these benefits are easily worth 89 cents. Heck, I would feel like a cheapskate to drop just 89 cents into the guitar case of a guy playing on the street corner.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 08:45:15 AM »

Now I'm no big city copyright attorney but I thought copying purchased music for personal use and/or backup has always been considered fair use. Sony/BMG can probably go ahead and suck my balls.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 09:35:03 AM »

*fudge* them...I'm not ashamed to admit that as long as there is P2P, I will never pay another dime to any of those pricks, and when P2P goes the way of the Dinosaur, I can safely say I will NEVER purchase any licensed material, period. 

I have experienced  first-hand the thuggish, bullying, extortionist tactics of the RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP when we had had the pub...Undercover reps. with fake cease and desist orders trying to shutdown bands, fake subpoenas, threatening letters, etc. All of this with no proof that any of their "licensed" music was broadcast for a profit in my place of business.

 I have paid more than my fair share to these *bunghole*s so 20 people can enjoy a cover band on a Saturday night.  This may not be in the same vein as the original post, but these are my feelings for the industry as a whole.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 10:59:22 AM »

Now I'm no big city copyright attorney but I thought copying purchased music for personal use and/or backup has always been considered fair use. Sony/BMG can probably go ahead and suck my balls.


It WAS considered Fair Use - but precise digital replication changed their (RIAA ball suckers) minds.  Seems analog with its known lossy duplication was ok, but digital is not.

I think the fuggers just got greedier and somehow successfully lobbied to get it modified for digital.

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2007, 11:03:59 AM »

Oh, and my typical post in such threads...

"... and that's why the system hates *8==>* Dale" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNnLIPZ_n4

(youtube is blocked at work so I'm posting that link blind - hope its correct)

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2007, 11:06:10 AM »

Now I'm no big city copyright attorney but I thought copying purchased music for personal use and/or backup has always been considered fair use. Sony/BMG can probably go ahead and suck my balls.


It WAS considered Fair Use - but precise digital replication changed their (RIAA ball suckers) minds.  Seems analog with its known lossy duplication was ok, but digital is not.

I think the fuggers just got greedier and somehow successfully lobbied to get it modified for digital.



So you're allowed to make a backup as long as the backup isn't as high quality as the original?
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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2007, 11:08:21 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2007, 11:39:58 AM »

Now I'm no big city copyright attorney but I thought copying purchased music for personal use and/or backup has always been considered fair use. Sony/BMG can probably go ahead and suck my balls.


It WAS considered Fair Use - but precise digital replication changed their (RIAA ball suckers) minds.  Seems analog with its known lossy duplication was ok, but digital is not.

I think the fuggers just got greedier and somehow successfully lobbied to get it modified for digital.



So you're allowed to make a backup as long as the backup isn't as high quality as the original?


Thats the understanding I got when I last looked into how Fair Use changed once digital replication was available.  It was actually the key argument they (RIAA) used in changing Fair Use from what I read (over a year ago).  But it wasn't about 'backups' really, something tells me they always considered that illegal.  The arguments were over taping songs off the radio (analog, imperfect medium) vs. getting an exact digital replica from an Internet radio station.

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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2007, 01:13:19 PM »

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Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."
So Sony, who to blame?

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Re: And you wonder why people "steal" music
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2007, 02:18:03 PM »

Frustrations with the RIAA aside, the artists DO have a choice.  They make the wrong one all too often based upon empty promises and flash money.  But it is becoming increasingly easier to market yourself without the RIAA/Radio cartel.  More artists should try it.

Again, check the link below for just one example:


Oh, and my typical post in such threads...

"... and that's why the system hates *8==>* Dale" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNnLIPZ_n4

(youtube is blocked at work so I'm posting that link blind - hope its correct)




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