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« on: December 14, 2007, 11:11:53 AM »

http://www.amazon.com/b/r...361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA

Absolutely did not see this coming at any time, from anybody, for any price.

Have to mull this one over and decide if I think it's the greatest thing since fish fingers and beans or is it monumentally stupid.   Huh? Huh? Huh?

First crack at it screams latency problems R us.  Can't imagine trying to run a DB connection across a WAN of any sort.  I live and breath webservices on a daily basis and while I'm a huge proponent you simply have to build in a bevy of failure mechanisms and essentially NEVER count on them for critical data needs.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 11:20:02 AM »

the pricing seems ridiculous as well
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 11:23:50 AM »

May I mambo dogface in the banana patch?


You guys make this *feces* up don't you?  Wink  And don't think I'll ever let you try to run your DB across my WAN.


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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 11:30:37 AM »

http://www.amazon.com/b/r...361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA

Absolutely did not see this coming at any time, from anybody, for any price.

Have to mull this one over and decide if I think it's the greatest thing since fish fingers and beans or is it monumentally stupid.   Huh? Huh? Huh?

First crack at it screams latency problems R us.  Can't imagine trying to run a DB connection across a WAN of any sort.  I live and breath webservices on a daily basis and while I'm a huge proponent you simply have to build in a bevy of failure mechanisms and essentially NEVER count on them for critical data needs.

I would think Amazon's infrastructure is robust enough that the biggest potential issue would be the connections from the clients' side--not from their end.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 11:36:50 AM »

Since I don't entirely understand it, and can't see a personal application for it, I'll declare it monumentally stupid. It's what Utards do.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 11:47:59 AM »

Since I don't entirely understand it, and can't see a personal application for it, I'll declare it monumentally stupid. It's what Utards do.

Good.  Saved me a click.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 11:58:50 AM »

May I mambo dogface in the banana patch?
You should probably buy him dinner first.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 12:06:33 PM »

I work with DBs everyday and somewhat understand what that is trying to accomplish, but I couldn't give two *feces*s.  I work in whatever DBs my company makes available and learn how to use them.  I have no power to suggest other avenues and am entirely at the mercy of IT and Data Warehouse. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 12:15:46 PM »


I would think Amazon's infrastructure is robust enough that the biggest potential issue would be the connections from the clients' side--not from their end.

Yes, of course.  In days when guys like me are jonesing after fiber behind the firewall in the never-ending battle to minimize bottlenecks I can't imagine going out over the net for anything but periodic or batch data needs (i.e. B2B- and EDI-type stuff

Still, I can't see them doing it if there wasn't a market.

Strike that.  Forgot about Kindle.   Wink
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 03:49:53 PM »

Seems like a natural complement to EC2 for me.  Just a simpler DB for those who don't want to run a database within EC2. 

I think the target customer is someone who already has their middle tier on one of Amazon's virtual servers (or is planning to) and doesn't want to deal with managing a database.  I doubt someone would use this database and host their web server somewhere else for the latency issues mentioned.

I've been looking at EC2 for hosting one of my projects which could have sporadic bandwidth spikes which I'd rather have someone else deal with (since my focus is on development not infrastructure)
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 03:55:09 PM »

Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2007, 04:07:56 PM »

Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?

J2EE compliant?  I was under the impression it was just a virtual server and not java-centric.

http://searchcorp.biz/ama...trepreneurs-and-startups/

(I love the idea of just paying for puny usage, but if one of my sites gets dugg or slashdotted, it can handle the load, and I'll pay for the rampup as needed)


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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 04:16:28 PM »

Hmmm, it's not pitched that way but what you say makes sense.

edit:  LOL, it is so.  Makes a lot more sense now.  So does gleek's comment. 

Have you or anyone you know had experience with EC2?  Looks like a bit of a pipe dream to me.  Does everything have to be 100% J2EE compliant?  Are there any other possibilities?  Do you know of a non-trivial, functioning install?

J2EE compliant?  I was under the impression it was just a virtual server and not java-centric.

http://searchcorp.biz/ama...trepreneurs-and-startups/

(I love the idea of just paying for puny usage, but if one of my sites gets dugg or slashdotted, it can handle the load, and I'll pay for the rampup as needed)


Been researching further now and looks like the following environments are supported:

PHP
C#
Java
Perl
VB.NET

Interesting.  Now that my head's on straight about this I'm going to have a good look.  I have a pet project I've been wanting to do for almost ten years.  This might be a perfect fit.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 04:18:16 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 04:20:09 PM »

c#, yumyum


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